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Post by deerhunter86 on Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:19 am

I'm going to start building a rifle and can't decide if I want a 300 win mag or ultra mag. What are the pros and cons? What kind of barrel life should I expect form them? can I use a magnum action for the ultra mag or do they make ultra mag actions?

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by jbpmidas on Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:50 am

What will you use the rifle for? Check ammo prices if you don't reload. If you do reload, check brass availabity.

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by deerhunter86 on Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:59 am

Mainly deer but I hunt gaslines with up too 600 yards . I reload and plan on going out west for elk and what not. Also have a place to shoot out too 130o yards at paper .barrel life is one worry kinda wondering how many shots to expect out of a kreiger barrel in ultra mag vs win mag

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by Beladran on Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:24 am

just remember you gotta pay to play... if all your gonna do is 600 yard shot get a 308 which would give you 4000 rounds of enjoyment. 300 win mag would give you about 2000 rounds of long range accuracy before groups go bonkers.. i dont have much nice things to say about ultra mags.. they are called barrel burners for a reason = )

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by deerhunter86 on Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:33 am

I'm not a 308 fan . Some people like them some people don't . I have always liked a 300 win mag . The ultra mag ballistics are nice tho

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by ftsibley on Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:07 am

i have owned a little bit of everthing in the magnum chamberings over the years. Magnums are overrated in my opinion for deer hunting even out to 600 yards (before yall start throwing stones at me remember i shoot a 300win, well i did until my wife claimed it for her deer rifle- i do have to carry it for her b/c it too heavy).
Beladran's opinion is a good one, hard to beat 308 but with you saying you might hunt elk as well i would go slightly larger.
Of the two you mentioned 300 win mag all the way, have the barrel twist for 180 to 220 gr bullets and it will shoot lights out.
What action,stock, trigger combo you going with? Good choice on krieger its what i have on my customs and they are great barrels.

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by deerhunter86 on Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:19 am

Remington action jewel trigger undecided on stock. Want somthing I can carry not a bench stock. Have the scope narrowed down to swaraski and nightforce. Don't know if nightforce will give me the low light gathering I want But nightforce has almost twice the adjustment the swaraskis do .I know it will be 56 mil objective.

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by deerhunter86 on Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:12 am

Every deer I have shot with a 308 ran with perfect shot placement one deer took 3 shots in the chest . One deer I have shot with a 300 wsm ran and it went 20 yards. No deer I have shot with a win mag ran. On adverage I have had more deer drop or run a shorter distance with a 243 . I have friends who love there 308s and that's fine . I love my magnums personal preference. The short barrel life is turning me off from the ultra mag . Sorry if I Hurt any 308 fans feelings I just ain't a fan

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by Beladran on Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:13 am

i got my eye on a 1.250 straight krieger barrel for my little project. Prolly not the best for truckin through the woods with but if you got a 1.25 straight about 20-24 inchs that would make a nasty hunting rifle. Take a look at some robertson and stockade stocks.
would you need a 1:10 twist for a 210 berger?

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by Beladran on Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:13 am

deerhunter86 wrote: Sorry if I Hurt any 308 fans feelings I just ain't a fan

just dont talk crap about a 45acp and everything will be ok = )

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by ftsibley on Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:00 pm

deerhunter86 wrote:Remington action jewel trigger undecided on stock. Want somthing I can carry not a bench stock. Have the scope narrowed down to swaraski and nightforce. Don't know if nightforce will give me the low light gathering I want But nightforce has almost twice the adjustment the swaraskis do .I know it will be 56 mil objective.

if you do not already have the remington action- check out a surgeon action- for the cost of the base remington plus the cost of truing it you can just about buy a custom action. Also may want to look at Jim Borden's actions, little more $ but true works of art.
Now if you are a machinest or have a friend who is then remington trued will be the lower cost. Jewell will be best money you spend great triggers. I have a Mcmillian HTG and a Roberston composite they are both good stocks, robertson is less expensive and not as long a wait. The McMillian is freaking awsome. May want to check out manners stocks as well that may be what i put on my 7-08 when i have it re-worked.
I have not had any expirence with a swarvaski scope but do with Nightforce and it is very good in low light conditions. I have been able to compare it against a new german made Zeiss scope 56mm and i think my 12x42x56 Nightforce is brighter right at dark. It outperforms my zeiss binos, but they are about 10 years old.




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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by s_irwin23 on Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:36 pm

Dont waste the money on going ultra mag. The price of that ammo is rediculous, and its burning a freaking 100 grains of powder per shot if you handload. Thats 1/3 more powder per shot for a little more velocity and energy that you dont need. You definetely dont need an ultra mag to shoot 600 or even a magnum. At that distance its all about shot placement, environmental factors and knowledge of wind and what your bullet does at that distance. A heavy recoiling rifle like an ultra mag actually makes long distance shooting more difficult. Dont fall into the trap of thinking that you can make a custom rifle, even a tackshooter, and then that translates into you being able to shoot a 600 yard shot on a deer out of a tree stand. What the rifle is capable of and what a person is able to do in a hunting situation are two different things.

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by deerhunter86 on Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:16 pm

I shoot out of box stands set up with sandbags on any shot over about 150 to 200. I have been thinkn about it awhile and the win mag is normally winning over ultra mag. I like 45 so don't worry.

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by BuckNasty on Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:33 pm

I have and love both, first of all get at least a 26 inch barrel, 300 win mag has much more options for box bullets, not really much difference in price of box bullets, but the rum can be hard to find, I have to say I put my 300 win in the gun cabinet and only hunt with my rum now, love that gun. And if you are going out west and plan on shooting LONG range the 220 grain rum at the same velocity as 180 grain win mag is a big advantage

Just my opinion

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by hbankst on Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:37 pm

you wished you could build a 300 that would shoot like my .308 down that pipeline of yours.Deer seasons over so i guess when you get we'll have to do some shooting

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Post by MrGoodtime on Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:23 pm

I shoot the Rem. model 700 stainless 300saum and love it accurat as heck, and a short action to boot.I shoot 57gr. of Varget pushing a 168gr. Nosler custom competition BTHP and get under 1in. at 100 yds. Dont know the mv havent cronoed it yet but book says around 3100 i think, i've dropped deer in their tracks from 50 to just past 500yds with it

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by Beladran on Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:32 pm

someone on here needs to get a 300 allen mag or a 308 warbird!

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by sidroski on Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:35 pm

Don't know what's deeper, the price of some of these rifles ya'll are talking about or the BS. I'd put money against about half some of these claims. Some of them are within reason so don't everybody jump. If it's 1" at 100 yds, yeah, I can go with that.
Tell me what you can group at 600 yds. out of a deer stand, we can talk then. No, I ain't gonna shoot against you, I ain't makin the claim. No ringers, just you, a 300 mag, 600 yards, a deer stand and the group you claim (if it's do able, I'll tell you ahead of time and give you your due). I like a good bet and if you can do it, my hat's and my money's off to you.

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Post by BuckNasty on Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:45 pm

I haven't seen anyone make claims, he just said there is a possibility of a shot at 600 and someone else said he hit a deer at 500, there were no grouping claims or anything that I seen.

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by sidroski on Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:12 pm

BuckNasty wrote:I haven't seen anyone make claims, he just said there is a possibility of a shot at 600 and someone else said he hit a deer at 500, there were no grouping claims or anything that I seen.
Yeah I know Buck, just seeing who wants to group one, football's over, what else is there to bet on? Just a friendly bet, no one walks home or anything like that. Shake hands win or lose and I don't gloat, matter of fact I won't even say if I won or lost unless the shooter wanted to. I couldn't shoot like that with any rig you gave me.

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by jbpmidas on Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:17 pm

Deer hunting ain't about groups! You got to make one shot!

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by sidroski on Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:45 pm

jbpmidas wrote:Deer hunting ain't about groups! You got to make one shot!
This I know also Justin, but they got to be able to hit a target consistantly if they want a humane kill on a deer. Just like seeing people do things I can't. You know me, like to see the pot stirred every once in a while to keep things interesting. BTW, I think I told you but that .38 I got my son for B'day and Christmas was a big hit. See how he pays back his old pappy when my B'day comes at the end of this month. Thought I had to go to West Point but walked a guy through fixing it. Wouldn't have minded inviting myself to shoot with you again.
Sorry to get the post off topic, apologies to all.

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by jbpmidas on Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:05 am

We can shoot rifles next time Sid, maybe Kimbers. You going to be at the next 22 F Class? Looking forward to it!

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by sidroski on Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:07 am

I need to be, that weekends my birthday which is no big deal but my son may be through with sniper school then. I think I read you got a Kimber or did you get another setup? What optics you get? Got some good ammo? Got some of that wolf match extra I can loan you a couple boxes if you haven't. If I can't make it, I'll drop it off with someone who is. I need to get some trigger time, ya'll gonna be way past me.

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Post by jbpmidas on Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:41 am

I got the Kimber with a BSA 8-32. I got good ammo and all that. Only thing I am lacking is skill!

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by deerhunter86 on Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:40 am

I have sand bags in deer stands and if I can hit a pie plate at 6 I'm happy . Hbankst keep Ur paper killing 308 out of this I don't care if you shot the 2 bolts out of my sign with 3 shots at 590 . Every deer u killed this year was with a 7 mag.

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Post by Beladran on Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:47 am

deerhunter86 wrote:I have sand bags in deer stands and if I can hit a pie plate at 6 I'm happy . Hbankst keep Ur paper killing 308 out of this I don't care if you shot the 2 bolts out of my sign with 3 shots at 590 . Every deer u killed this year was with a 7 mag.

ha ha ha ha!

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by deerhunter86 on Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:04 am

I'm thinkn about a bat action . Any thing wrong with those ? Any other actions y'all suggest ?

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Post by BuckNasty on Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:15 am

Check out the stiller predator action, its supposed to be a direct remington 700 replacement only its a custom. so you get to use REM 700 cut stocks instead of doing stockwork to make one fit a bat.

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Post by deerhunter86 on Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:24 am

When u say stock work are u talking dremel tool stock work or chainsaw stock work?

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Post by BuckNasty on Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:37 am

You will wear out some dremel tools, more like stock work with a mill

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by ftsibley on Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:42 am

BAT action is very nice, arguably the best custom action out there for bench/target. That is what my Smith used on his personal F-class rifle. As far as stock work- when you order a custom stock you will let the stock builder know which action to inlet it for. Your gunsmith would handle the fitting and bedding of the action to the stock.

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by BuckNasty on Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:51 am

Yes the gunsmith will do great, I thought maybe you were doing it yourself. A buddy of mine ordered one from Richards microfit I believe and did it himself, he went thru 4 dremel tools making the stock fit the action. And bat actions are definately one of the best.

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by Limbic on Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:07 pm

300 Win Mag for numerous reasons. They are over bore but not as much as a ultra mag and not nearly as much as a 7RUM. The .308 bullets don't have the glamorous BC as 243, 264, 284, 338's but they get the job done. If you are gonna shoot far then you need to shoot a fair bit. Winmag gets you 1200-1500 rounds probably. If I was going to build a 300 win mag that was going to be a absolute tack hammer then
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I would also suggest reloading

Weight is important. I have a gun that is 16.5 lbs. Difficult to pack around in the woods but not impossible. If I could change the weight I would but I also shoot in in competition. the NF is two pounds by itself.

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by deerhunter86 on Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:21 pm

Surgeon is my 2nd choice. Money doesn't bother me i have no kidd or wife to support and work offshore so if I'm going to do it I wanna do it right. I want somthing that will shoot ten times better than me .

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by hbankst on Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:06 pm

I think you need to just stick with the .22 rifles and leave the big guns and that pipe line for me.What was your deer count for this year.I would have shot a deer with that paper shooting .308 if I would have seen one when I had it with me

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Post by nonnieselman on Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:10 pm

Maybe next year ill get more time off work for deer season so i can get some with my 300wm.

Its some savage parts put together, Model 112 10 twist "tactical/varmint barrel as they called it"

Im at about the 400rd mark thru it and havent had to clean it yet, still groups nice at 600yds.


If it were me, id go with the 300wm again.
Mine loves 210gr Bergers, 70.5gr H4831, at 2850fps

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Post by ftsibley on Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:58 pm

If the $ not an issue build the gun that Limbic just described.
The 300win i had built was a trued Rem 700 action, Mcmillian HTGadj, jewell, nightforce rings and bases, williams bottom metal, Kreiger. It will flat out shoot. I have a 6x20x50 luppy on top, preferred the nightforce but its sitting on my Borden.

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Re: 300 win mag or 300 ultra mag

Post by deerhunter86 on Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:18 pm

hbankst wrote: I think you need to just stick with the .22 rifles and leave the big guns and that pipe line for me.What was your deer count for this year.I would have shot a deer with that paper shooting .308 if I would have seen one when I had it with me



Even deer won't come out to get shot with a 308 . I could have shot deer if I wood have seen one that wasn't in the back of Ur truck or running away after I missed .

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Post by hbankst on Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:29 am

Hey deer hunter check this place out bruno shooting supplys.Oh I don't want to hear about your miss.You need to stick with the long range turtle shooting with your .22

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Post by deerhunter86 on Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:10 pm

Dang turtles havent come out in herds yet and the ones that are out are to sluggish to Br anysport. There is still hope for me to kill a deer I have 2 days to hunt when I get off this extremely clean rig. Don't think I will be able to grip anything bigger than a scrub brush handle or a broom handle when I get home so I might not be able to shoot.

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Post by deerhunter86 on Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:12 pm

If u need to I bet my dad will let u borrow his 45 70 if u wanna hunt primitive when u get home .

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Post by hbankst on Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:28 pm

yea he said i could

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Post by deerhunter86 on Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:36 pm

When I get home we need to go to Ur lease with Ur paper killer and to pauls

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Post by hbankst on Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:39 pm

yea I'm want to shoot what i can at the lease

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Post by deerhunter86 on Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:45 pm

I'll bring somthing out there and embearass myself . We just have to get my bench on Ur trailer or somthing

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Post by hbankst on Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:06 pm

sounds good I hope the paper punch does good at a 1000 are 1500

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