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Post by BearsBoy on Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:57 pm

Just in case anyone is interested in doing some reading... I thought I would post links to some SHTF stories. I got interested in reading them when I stumbled on a forum a few years ago that had John Ross as a member. He was posting chapters from his book "Unintended Consequences" as he wrote it so I was able to read the original online. It's out of print now but if you can find a copy it sells from $100-$300. It's pretty "rough" in places but I think most on here would enjoy it.
After that I found a story called "Deep Winter" by Thomas Sherry. I found out that you can email him at deepwinter2007@comcast.net and he will send you three of his stories as .pdf files. "Deep Winter" "Remnant" and "Shatter".
Another really good one is "Lights Out" by David Crawford. I was going to post a link to a .pdf but it's been removed since he published it. It's available at Amazon.
And yesterday I stumbled on the website of Jerry D. Young. It seems that he writes and has links to a ton of stories. I've read three already (it's been sloooowww at work) and have to say his are pretty good. The link is http://www.jerrydyoung.com/news.php

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by miker84 on Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:02 pm

Lights Out is on my list.
I've read:
The Road
One Second After
The Stand
Patriots
I'm about to start reading Alas Babylon.
I'll check out the others. Thanks for the info.

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Post by jbpmidas on Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:18 pm

Can you send the PDF's? I always need good reading at work on graveyard!

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by BearsBoy on Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:33 pm

I don't have any on this PC at work but check out that last link I posted for http://www.jerrydyoung.com. There are dozens of pdf's on that link.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by jbpmidas on Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:36 pm

Thanks! Maybe that will work at work.Smile

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by Scharfschütze on Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:40 pm

Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle is pretty good; also "World War Z" about a virus-induced zombie epidemic is good. The latter is less about science fiction / zombies, more about the complete breakdown of society's infrastructure worldwide, very interesting insight into what happens when things and structures we take for granted fall apart. You could substitute something more realistic than a virus that causes humans to become "z"s, yet causes worldwide problems, and the book would still be as good. Lots of firearms and survival info.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by jbpmidas on Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:57 am

Read "One Man Alone" from Jerry D Young. It's a pretty good short story. I'll read some more.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by sand_man on Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:04 am

The Stand Extended Version was great!

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Post by edm on Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:59 pm

I really liked the Stand (alltime favorite book) Lucifers hammer and Lights out.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by Tuco on Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:12 pm

A friend gave me two books for Christmas (we tend to trade subversive literature). One I is called World Made by hand and the other is The Witch of Hebron both by James Howard Kunstler. They are both pretty good and deal more with the aftermath of societal break down. I read One Second After and it scared the living he ** out of me.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by miker84 on Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:03 pm

The wife thinks I'm a total nutjob for reading these SHTF books. She watched "The Road" dvd with me (Netflix) and said it was the most depressing thing she's ever seen. I hope we never see the conditions that are described in these books, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Here's an indy movie that's coming out this year about a SHTF situation:
Remnants

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by jbpmidas on Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:41 pm

The Neighbors by Jerry D Young is a really good read. Just finished it.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by Scharfschütze on Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:48 am

Have any of you read "World War Z" ? I'm interested in what you guys think of it.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by miker84 on Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:00 am

Scharfschuetze wrote:Have any of you read "World War Z" ? I'm interested in what you guys think of it.
Not yet. My oldest daughter did, but she's really into the Zombie thing.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by Scharfschütze on Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:10 am

Well, I initially didn't want to read it 'cause I am not a sci fi fan. But a friend recommended it. The "Zombie" aspect is a hook to get a certain category of readers interested in sci fi, and they will find that in the text, but the overriding theme is the complete breakdown of society, who survives, who doesn't. What occupations are truly valuable to society, who has to re-train to earn a living in the post-modern societies. Like the technical experts who are now collecting fertilizer(manure) for farming 'cause they no longer have a skill needed by society. Also what happens to a completely closed society (North Korea) when the virus breaks out there was another interesting theme. I hear there is a movie being made, unfortunately (from my interest in SHTF fiction) I think it will focus more on the zombies, less on how easy it would be for society to fall completely to pieces. I have to mention "Lucifer's Hammer" again, an old one about the aftermath of a huge asteroid strike. Somewhat dated technology-wise, but good.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by jbpmidas on Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:18 pm

Those get to be addictive! I think I have read 5 so far. Good, quick reads!

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by BearsBoy on Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:05 pm

Just finished "The Neighbors"... That's the 10th story since Thursday! I need to give it a break!

My favs so far... "The Hermit" and "An Old Man And His Tractor". Oh, and "Ozark Retreat, part 1 & 2"

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by Scharfschütze on Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:06 pm

Der Junge gave me "Dies the Fire" by S.M. Stirling. He got it 'cause he read in the Cold Steel catalog that this novel had inspired that company to design several of their swords. Very interesting book, I recommend it...

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by Brutus on Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:11 pm

BearsBoy wrote:Just in case anyone is interested in doing some reading... I thought I would post links to some SHTF stories. I got interested in reading them when I stumbled on a forum a few years ago that had John Ross as a member. He was posting chapters from his book "Unintended Consequences" as he wrote it so I was able to read the original online. It's out of print now but if you can find a copy it sells from $100-$300. It's pretty "rough" in places but I think most on here would enjoy it.
After that I found a story called "Deep Winter" by Thomas Sherry. I found out that you can email him at deepwinter2007@comcast.net and he will send you three of his stories as .pdf files. "Deep Winter" "Remnant" and "Shatter".
Another really good one is "Lights Out" by David Crawford. I was going to post a link to a .pdf but it's been removed since he published it. It's available at Amazon.
And yesterday I stumbled on the website of Jerry D. Young. It seems that he writes and has links to a ton of stories. I've read three already (it's been sloooowww at work) and have to say his are pretty good. The link is http://www.jerrydyoung.com/news.php

Enjoy!

I got to read Deep Winter in its original, pre-published form. Sherry is/was a member at another site I frequent and that site had a "Member's Stories" section where he posted it chapter by chapter as he wrote it. It's a very good read.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by miker84 on Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:03 am

Just finished Alas, Babylon. It was good. Realistic without being over the top. It was published in 1959 so the content and context revolves around the cold war and nuclear threat. Nevertheless, the challenges of life in a post-disaster situation are the same today as back then. I imagine this book shook some people up back then. I can see that One Second After is almost an updated version of this.

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Post by Scharfschütze on Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:07 am

I read part of a story on worldnetdaily.com a few years back about the aftermath of an EMP attack on the USA. Nothing worked that relied on electronics; however engines that used points-type ignition still worked. The author is a collector of older airplanes that use such motors, IIRC. Anyone remember the author / title of that one?

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by miker84 on Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:29 am

Scharfschuetze wrote:I read part of a story on worldnetdaily.com a few years back about the aftermath of an EMP attack on the USA. Nothing worked that relied on electronics; however engines that used points-type ignition still worked. The author is a collector of older airplanes that use such motors, IIRC. Anyone remember the author / title of that one?

Not familiar with that story in particular, but the EMP threat is one of the least-discussed and least-planned-for types of emergencies, and perhaps the easiest one to inflict long-term damage.

EMP was the weapon in One Second After. Pretty much anything with an integrated circuit, transistor, computer chip, etc was fried instantly. So planes fell from the sky, newer cars quit running, phones, tv's, computers, powerplants, you name it. So, the folks with old cars were still tooling around (until they ran out of gas).

There is some debate as to whether an EMP would destroy electronics or just "stun" them briefly.

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Post by Scharfschütze on Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:31 am

That may be it, I just don't recall the title...I will search WND archives: www.wnd.com

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Post by mildot on Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:30 pm

Read Alas, Babylon back in 1970, scared the heck out of me. Guess that was when I started building my gun inventory. Good book, still have my orginal copy.

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Post by BearsBoy on Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:26 pm

Scharfschuetze wrote:I read part of a story on worldnetdaily.com a few years back about the aftermath of an EMP attack on the USA. Nothing worked that relied on electronics; however engines that used points-type ignition still worked. The author is a collector of older airplanes that use such motors, IIRC. Anyone remember the author / title of that one?

That's the basic idea of "Lights Out" by David Crawford. An oil sheik equips his oil tankers with launch tubes to fire 8 nuclear missiles as they neared the US.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by miker84 on Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:12 am

Scharfschuetze wrote:Have any of you read "World War Z" ? I'm interested in what you guys think of it.

Ok, I just read it. Took a bit for me to get into it. It was interesting in that it treated the Zombie situation in a serious manner and not like a slasher/teeny-bopper/bloodfest.
Interesting descriptions of how people survived. One thing that all these books teach you is that you can never have enough supplies, so you have to be able to hunt/forage/barter, etc; and, you just never know what will truly be valuable.

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Post by Scharfschütze on Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:43 am

That's what I got from it as well. It was interesting to me how society worldwide could fall apart relatively quickly. I hope the film does the book justice.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by Brutus on Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:37 am

miker84 wrote:
Scharfschuetze wrote:Have any of you read "World War Z" ? I'm interested in what you guys think of it.

Ok, I just read it. Took a bit for me to get into it. It was interesting in that it treated the Zombie situation in a serious manner and not like a slasher/teeny-bopper/bloodfest.
Interesting descriptions of how people survived. One thing that all these books teach you is that you can never have enough supplies, so you have to be able to hunt/forage/barter, etc; and, you just never know what will truly be valuable.
How do they manage to deal with the Zombie thing in a serious manner?

Like a contagion infected people and destroyed the higher functioning part of the brain and left them alive, but with just the reptile brain functioning, where the zombies had no morals, values, judgment, reasoning, etc.?

thinking

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by miker84 on Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:48 am

They treated it like a disease (African Rabies). You get bitten by one and you eventually die and turn into one. If they bite you enough to kill you, then you re-animate. Their bodies worked until they decomposed. The moaned to communicate with each other, but that was mostly to announce "food". They would walk into the ocean, off buildings, etc to try to get to uninfected people.

The book structured as a narrative/documentary. It consists of question and answer interviews of people who were involved in the war.

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Re: TEOTWAWKI and prepper fiction

Post by Scharfschütze on Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:48 am

That's about it, those infected turn into basically mobile carnivorous feeders. Apparently the "Z" don't breath as there are many in bodies of water and the oceans. As miker84 wrote, the book is structured as a summary of interviews of people's experiences before/during the worst/after the "Z" outbreak...which is still a problem but mostly under control. The interviews were compiled as a UN project. I liked how the author focused on the consequences instead of the horror-fiction aspect of zombies, although that is in there, it is very clear it is not the point of the book. It written in such an effective way that the fan of horror fiction can read it strictly on that level, however; those concerned with TEOTWAWKI will however also see the more profound theme of the breakdown of societies worldwide.

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