Concealed Carry and Company Policy

My wife travels for a company across north MS and will stay overnight. She also goes into elemntary and secondary schools. She drives a company car and the company policy states she may not carry a fire arm in the vehicle. I don't like the company policy but.....I want her to carry any way.

I wanted to get thoughts on her carrying regardless. Also, if she keeps it in her car I want a secure setup like a gunvault that I can mount under the seat etc...to keep concealed from sight.

If she wants to keep her job she shouldn't carry. If she wants to carry she should get a different job.

If she has it in a gun vault she might as well have it at home. Unless she is psychic and knows when trouble will appear she will not have time to retrieve it from a gun vault.

I know alot of people that do this. She has to make that decision but I rather by alive and looking for another job than died. Use common since like I might not have it in the car when boss is around.

Beladran wrote:dont ask dont tell?

I thought that was going away?

Are you asking if she should ignore company policy and carry a firearm in her car or are you asking if she should ignore state law and carry a firearm into elementary and secondary schools? Big difference in questions. The penalty for one is getting fired and maybe a bad recommendation for any future employers. The penalty for the other is jail. Two very different things.
Gonzo

When I worked for Zurich we had a similar policy. I always carried. My reasoning was if I ever had to use my gun I would find another Job.
My boss was riding with me one day and he saw my benchmade pocket knife and told me that I could not have a weapon in the car. I told him that it was not a weapon that was what I carried in my pocket to cut things....Guy was not to swift.

I'd definitely have my wife carry. She can park off school grounds and be ok. I have no experience with any type of vehicle vault.

Dock Rocker wrote:
My boss was riding with me one day and he saw my benchmade pocket knife and told me that I could not have a weapon in the car. I told him that it was not a weapon that was what I carried in my pocket to cut things....Guy was not to swift.

That would be my response as well. Unless absolutely a last resort a knife is not a weapon for me, it is a tool of convenience because there are often better tools for the job than your standard pocket knife or multi-tool but they aren't nearly as convenient, or even as portable.

As for the wife, I'd suggest getting her maybe some pepper spray or something at the very least, like high quality stuff, not gun show grade. I haver tried it out yet but I bought two of those Kimber pepper blaster's a few weeks back and they seem to be of high quality. A gun if she's confident that her vehicle won't be searched by either her employer or police while on school grounds, which they claim they can do.

Don't know about co. policy, but it is not against state law to carry in a vehicle on school property unless you are a student. Lock car when you get out.

When I hired on I agreed to follow the rules, policies and procedures established by Mississippi Power Company. I agreed to follow all of them not just the ones I agreed with or liked. Twenty-nine years later I still follow them. I carry daily but will not carry into places that are prohibited or post signs dis-allowing carry. I don't drink and drive, text/email and drive, excede the speed limit, cheat on my taxes or "borrow" things from work. If I break one rule or law why not two? It gets kinda slippery when you walk off the path and you never know when one step is too far.

If she wants to work for her company she should follow the rules she knew were in place before she started or she should get another job. For me it is cut and dry. For me it is about honor and doing what is right even when no one is looking or will find out about it.

She can take classes on situational awareness that will teach her when and when not to exit her car. It will teach her when to ask for an escort and what to look for before unlocking the car.

A carry permit and gun are not magic pills that prevent evil from entering our lives. I have been to a few schools and the one thing that is consistant to them all is "I am never unarmed." Even when I am naked I am armed with Knowledge. I am quite probably better armed than most badguys even if I am naked and they are carrying. Being armed is a state of mind first and a condition of person second. I can and will kill if I think a physical response is necessary. I will not rough you up. I will not scare you. I will not do anything except walk away unless I am going to kill you.

Tanker, rdj94 and ftsibley have met me and they can tell you I am not a big man. 5'6" @ 155 is not very imposing or threatening. I am by nature a quiet person not prone to exhibiting what is known as "little man syndrome". I don't bluff. I taught my wife and girls to be the same way. You can teach yours or send her to any number of good instructors. But don't ask her to break the law or enter into a dishonorable activity. Don't ask her to lie.

I am not trying to offend you. I am trying to offer a reasonable alternative to what you are advocating. You know what you are asking her to do is wrong or you wouldn't have posted it here looking for back-up. Do the right thing.

94LEVERFAN wrote:Don't know about co. policy, but it is not against state law to carry in a vehicle on school property unless you are a student. Lock car when you get out.

Yes...the key being "in a vehicle". That is why I specified "carrying into" in my post. Big, big difference.

Agreed Gonzo, as long as weapons stay in vehicle and you are not a student, no problem. During deer season, I am liable to have 5 or 6 rifles laying across seat when I take 8 year old girl to school in Clinton. So far, no problems. Need to look up the statute and copy it. The last line of it states that all schools must post a copy of the statute. Have never seen it anywhere.

94LEVERFAN wrote:Agreed Gonzo, as long as weapons stay in vehicle and you are not a student, no problem. During deer season, I am liable to have 5 or 6 rifles laying across seat when I take 8 year old girl to school in Clinton. So far, no problems. Need to look up the statute and copy it. The last line of it states that all schools must post a copy of the statute. Have never seen it anywhere.

Heck, 94, I remember when I was in High School you could walk through the student parking lot and count dozens of rifles in racks. And not a one of them was ever used to shoot up the school. Of course, back then, it was common for parents (and society) to hold us kids accountable for our own actions. I miss that world, don't you? Sigh.

Yes I do Gonzo, graduate HS in 76. Was a 30-30 and a .22 auto in gun rack of my pick-up every day. Kept a shotgun in my dorm room at State.(Asked campus security, they said you gonna have it loaded, said no, they said no problem.) Did have a little problem at Hinds one time, gun in rack, told em it wasn't going away, they left me alone.

Shooter wrote:When I hired on I agreed to follow the rules, policies and procedures established by Mississippi Power Company. I agreed to follow all of them not just the ones I agreed with or liked. Twenty-nine years later I still follow them. I carry daily but will not carry into places that are prohibited or post signs dis-allowing carry. I don't drink and drive, text/email and drive, excede the speed limit, cheat on my taxes or "borrow" things from work. If I break one rule or law why not two? It gets kinda slippery when you walk off the path and you never know when one step is too far.

If she wants to work for her company she should follow the rules she knew were in place before she started or she should get another job. For me it is cut and dry. For me it is about honor and doing what is right even when no one is looking or will find out about it.

She can take classes on situational awareness that will teach her when and when not to exit her car. It will teach her when to ask for an escort and what to look for before unlocking the car.

A carry permit and gun are not magic pills that prevent evil from entering our lives. I have been to a few schools and the one thing that is consistant to them all is "I am never unarmed." Even when I am naked I am armed with Knowledge. I am quite probably better armed than most badguys even if I am naked and they are carrying. Being armed is a state of mind first and a condition of person second. I can and will kill if I think a physical response is necessary. I will not rough you up. I will not scare you. I will not do anything except walk away unless I am going to kill you.

Tanker, rdj94 and ftsibley have met me and they can tell you I am not a big man. 5'6" @ 155 is not very imposing or threatening. I am by nature a quiet person not prone to exhibiting what is known as "little man syndrome". I don't bluff. I taught my wife and girls to be the same way. You can teach yours or send her to any number of good instructors. But don't ask her to break the law or enter into a dishonorable activity. Don't ask her to lie.

I am not trying to offend you. I am trying to offer a reasonable alternative to what you are advocating. You know what you are asking her to do is wrong or you wouldn't have posted it here looking for back-up. Do the right thing.

I agree, My company has rules I do not agree with but I follow them. I signed on to work for them, so i honor their rules. my humble

THere is another solution. Ditch the company car and travel POV. Sometimes just paying mileage is cheaper for the company. Your car. Your rules.

We agreed to do away with the Weapons on Company property.. I CC and both my Bosses have Pistols in their desk.

Shooter wrote:When I hired on I agreed to follow the rules, policies and procedures established by Mississippi Power Company. I agreed to follow all of them not just the ones I agreed with or liked. Twenty-nine years later I still follow them. I carry daily but will not carry into places that are prohibited or post signs dis-allowing carry. I don't drink and drive, text/email and drive, excede the speed limit, cheat on my taxes or "borrow" things from work. If I break one rule or law why not two? It gets kinda slippery when you walk off the path and you never know when one step is too far.

If she wants to work for her company she should follow the rules she knew were in place before she started or she should get another job. For me it is cut and dry. For me it is about honor and doing what is right even when no one is looking or will find out about it.

She can take classes on situational awareness that will teach her when and when not to exit her car. It will teach her when to ask for an escort and what to look for before unlocking the car.

A carry permit and gun are not magic pills that prevent evil from entering our lives. I have been to a few schools and the one thing that is consistant to them all is "I am never unarmed." Even when I am naked I am armed with Knowledge. I am quite probably better armed than most badguys even if I am naked and they are carrying. Being armed is a state of mind first and a condition of person second. I can and will kill if I think a physical response is necessary. I will not rough you up. I will not scare you. I will not do anything except walk away unless I am going to kill you.

Tanker, rdj94 and ftsibley have met me and they can tell you I am not a big man. 5'6" @ 155 is not very imposing or threatening. I am by nature a quiet person not prone to exhibiting what is known as "little man syndrome". I don't bluff. I taught my wife and girls to be the same way. You can teach yours or send her to any number of good instructors. But don't ask her to break the law or enter into a dishonorable activity. Don't ask her to lie.

I am not trying to offend you. I am trying to offer a reasonable alternative to what you are advocating. You know what you are asking her to do is wrong or you wouldn't have posted it here looking for back-up. Do the right thing.

When EMEPA was stretching lines in Kemper County off Townsend Road, they had several ATTACKS by wild pigs.
One was on a 4 wheeler and the pig attacked the machine and driver.

They were seen BY WIFE AND ME on several occaisons working, and one guy was on top of a truck with a rifle watching out.
They killed a BUNCH before they finished.
Also noticed the guys carrying handguns along with the tools on their belts.

Must not be against company policy for EMEPA.

I would'nt know. I don't work for them. I just know it is against the policies of the companies Kevin's wife works for and mine. Company policy is a lot like the law. I disagree with some of them. My only recourse is to obay the law and follow policy while trying to change those that I don't like. I, along with three or four others worked five years trying to get an exemption for certain areas of company property so we could lease them and have a hunting club. Today we have just a little over 1700 acres under lease. Little by little we are adding to that and as our property grows our membership grows. It starts with obedience first. Had we ignored the policy and been caught not only would we have been fired it would have been the example of WHY the company couldn't lease property for a hunting club.

About twenty years ago I was an EMT Basic andpart ofour plant's Response Team. I worked part time for a local ambulance company that had a no carry policy. There were some areas and some types of calls we didn't respond to without police escort. A friend disregarded policy and protocol and was stabbed responding to a call concerning a "woman running through the project bleeding". Her boyfriend caught up to them as they were evaluating the woman. Both lived but following protocol would have prevented the unwanted surgery performed on the medic.

Policy is policy. I take my hat off in banks; policy. I don't carry in the courthouse; policy. If she can't follow policy she should find another job that has policies she can follow.