New Law Concerning Endorsements for Training - House Bill 506 was signed by the Governor.

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Post by Chap on Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:57 am

Just noticed this update to http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/mississippi.pdf (it's on Page two)
It was added to the Mississippi page on - 3/18/11 – New law on carry endorsement and being allowed to carry in more places added.

They mentioned on page 3 " Again this new law does not go into effect till July 1, 2011 "

I hope they write into the law that Military training meets the required training to get the endorsement to my Fire Arms permit. The Law says: an instructional course in the safe handling and use of firearms offered by an instructor certified by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training, or by any other organization approved by the Department of Public Safety.

I like the fact that:
If you obtain this endorsement you will be allowed to carry in all places listed as off limits in 45-9-101
except for any police, sheriff or highway patrol station or any detention facility, prison or jail.

I hope this wasn't posted before, I just noticed the update.

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Re: New Law Concerning Endorsements for Training - House Bill 506 was signed by the Governor.

Post by rsm688 on Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:31 am

Hell yeah thumbs up

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Re: New Law Concerning Endorsements for Training - House Bill 506 was signed by the Governor.

Post by Beladran on Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:56 am

Chap wrote:
I hope they write into the law that Military training meets the required training to get the endorsement to my Fire Arms permit.
Chap


not trying to say anything here but "some" of the ex military guys i know are some of the most careless/reckless gunowners on this planet.... A refresher course couldnt hurt

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None taken but lets discuss it a bit.

Post by Chap on Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:56 pm

None taken but lets discuss it a bit.

I'm a past Coast Guard Boarding Officer so I'm entitled to apply for an Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) permit which would require annual refresher qualifications if I want to apply. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety_Act

I agree, "Safety First" additional voluntary training is wise.

For those Military qualified persons who you suggest are careless/reckless.

In your opinion:
1) How often would you recommend we pay lets say $100 to get a refresher training?
2) Should refresher training be written into law?

For those civilians who attend a day or two day instructional course. ( in the safe handling and use of firearms offered by an instructor certified by a nationally recognized organization ) do you consider the day or two training sufficient or would they be required to take refresher training somewhere down the road?

I personally disagree that a day or two training could in anyway be superior training to Military boot camp training. Much less the required recertification training to maintain the ability to carry a weapon in uniform. I can't speak for other military organizations. The Coast Guard required training every 6 months. If you fail to qualify at the range then you lose the ability to carry a weapon until you can re-certify.

We had CG reserve members after 911 who were called onto duty. Many were current LEO's from across the country who went to the range with me. Most of them failed the CG range qualifying test to carry a weapon for the CG in uniform. I was really shocked at how bad these officers shot. We were shooting the same course of fire the cops shoot. To be honest a few months later, the CG lowered our qualifying score to keep more weapons on our CG Law Enforcement teams. The ability to qualify doesn't mean your safe, just that the different organizations who allow them to carry must have ensured they received weapons safety training before allowing them to carry. They also must re-certify to maintain the ability to carry. Guess I just need to know how much training is really enough?

I guess what it cuts to is, you can train anyone but it comes down to personal responsibility to stay safe.

I'm sure you've seen some military people being unsafe I don't dispute that. I bet they had sufficient training in the past so I suggest training can't be the answer.

People know not to speed in a vehicle but they still do. No amount of training will prevent it. Speeding tickets also doesn't seem to prevent speeding. I'm not sure what the answer would be.

I still hope my Military training is recognized by the Department of Public Safety. If not then I will of course take the necessary training course to meet the spirit of the law. I just want the endorsement so I can carry CC more often and stop putting on and taking off my weapon.

Just my humble opinion.

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Re: New Law Concerning Endorsements for Training - House Bill 506 was signed by the Governor.

Post by jakeg823 on Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:10 pm

Either way, the bill has been discussed in length here, and it doesn't allow carry in ALL locations. Schools are still off limits, due to a whole other law that this one didn't cancel out like it should have

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Re: New Law Concerning Endorsements for Training - House Bill 506 was signed by the Governor.

Post by rsm688 on Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:22 pm

I wonder how long til we have a list of "approved" training instructors/classes

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Re: New Law Concerning Endorsements for Training - House Bill 506 was signed by the Governor.

Post by Chap on Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:30 pm

rsm688 wrote:I wonder how long til we have a list of "approved" training instructors/classes


I hope soon.

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Post by jakeg823 on Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:03 pm

Chap wrote:
rsm688 wrote:I wonder how long til we have a list of "approved" training instructors/classes


I hope soon.


I'm gonna guess July 2012......

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Post by sidroski on Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:18 pm

Beladran wrote:not trying to say anything here but "some" of the ex military guys i know are some of the most careless/reckless gunowners on this planet.... A refresher course couldnt hurt

I agree. Was qualifing with a guy from the left coast. I looked at his target as he was next to me. Didn't see anything in the white and thought he was tearing it up. Next round of shooting I decided I'd watch him. The indoor range had railroads ties to hold up the roof. As I watched him, he was tearing up them cross ties. Ain't hit the target once.

Slippery slope though, the more they put in front of you getting your carry permit is one step, the closer they are from stopping some then all.

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Re: New Law Concerning Endorsements for Training - House Bill 506 was signed by the Governor.

Post by Cliff Cargill on Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:35 am

Even though I'm an NRA Instructor and Training Counselor, I'm against any new gun control laws that require training.

Should one be properly trained and be able to handle their firearm well? Yes, but by their own free will.

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Re: New Law Concerning Endorsements for Training - House Bill 506 was signed by the Governor.

Post by msredneck on Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:19 am

Trouble is, its gonna be a while before we have "courses" and its even more hoops to jump through to go do the paperwork and get your permit re-issued....


I'll keep doing what I always do

HB 506 did not do all that much for us IMHO

I still say its a lot of Hoop La for Nada...a snoozer

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Re: New Law Concerning Endorsements for Training - House Bill 506 was signed by the Governor.

Post by Hammer on Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:45 pm

If I understand it correctly, the regular permit and requirements are still in effect. But, if you get the training and the endorsement, you are allowed to carry in more places. Is this correct?

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Re: New Law Concerning Endorsements for Training - House Bill 506 was signed by the Governor.

Post by captain-03 on Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:52 pm

Cliff Cargill wrote:Even though I'm an NRA Instructor and Training Counselor, I'm against any new gun control laws that require training.

Should one be properly trained and be able to handle their firearm well? Yes, but by their own free will.


Agree!! 100%

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Post by jakeg823 on Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:53 pm

Hammer wrote:If I understand it correctly, the regular permit and requirements are still in effect. But, if you get the training and the endorsement, you are allowed to carry in more places. Is this correct?


Yep

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Post by msredneck on Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:53 pm

Cept No one knows any details on how to actually get the endorsement....

I'm figuring Cliff is our best bet...He'll have something training wise I'm sure.

Then what is the process for getting your permit updated...?

and then after its all said and done..It basically allows you to carry at church...I don't frequent court houses very often


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Post by PhillipM on Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:47 pm

Chap wrote:None taken but lets discuss it a bit.

I'm a past Coast Guard Boarding Officer so I'm entitled to apply for an Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) permit which would require annual refresher qualifications if I want to apply. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety_Act

I agree, "Safety First" additional voluntary training is wise.

For those Military qualified persons who you suggest are careless/reckless.

In your opinion:
1) How often would you recommend we pay lets say $100 to get a refresher training?
2) Should refresher training be written into law?

For those civilians who attend a day or two day instructional course. ( in the safe handling and use of firearms offered by an instructor certified by a nationally recognized organization ) do you consider the day or two training sufficient or would they be required to take refresher training somewhere down the road?

I personally disagree that a day or two training could in anyway be superior training to Military boot camp training. Much less the required recertification training to maintain the ability to carry a weapon in uniform. I can't speak for other military organizations. The Coast Guard required training every 6 months. If you fail to qualify at the range then you lose the ability to carry a weapon until you can re-certify.

We had CG reserve members after 911 who were called onto duty. Many were current LEO's from across the country who went to the range with me. Most of them failed the CG range qualifying test to carry a weapon for the CG in uniform. I was really shocked at how bad these officers shot. We were shooting the same course of fire the cops shoot. To be honest a few months later, the CG lowered our qualifying score to keep more weapons on our CG Law Enforcement teams. The ability to qualify doesn't mean your safe, just that the different organizations who allow them to carry must have ensured they received weapons safety training before allowing them to carry. They also must re-certify to maintain the ability to carry. Guess I just need to know how much training is really enough?

I guess what it cuts to is, you can train anyone but it comes down to personal responsibility to stay safe.

I'm sure you've seen some military people being unsafe I don't dispute that. I bet they had sufficient training in the past so I suggest training can't be the answer.

People know not to speed in a vehicle but they still do. No amount of training will prevent it. Speeding tickets also doesn't seem to prevent speeding. I'm not sure what the answer would be.

I still hope my Military training is recognized by the Department of Public Safety. If not then I will of course take the necessary training course to meet the spirit of the law. I just want the endorsement so I can carry CC more often and stop putting on and taking off my weapon.

Just my humble opinion.

Chap


American Rifleman this month has an article on the poor quality of marksmanship and training with small arms. I think I could fair use a quote they use from another journal 'Small War Journal', "The rifleman's war" but will refrain. The author, a Distinguished pistol shot and former Marine officer that is intimately involved in Army marksmanship training says for pre deployment to a combat zone troops are given one day for marksmanship training and four or five days on the ranges for all weapons. They train infantry with 58 rounds consisting of 18 sighters, and 40 for record to go to combat!

That's what they do with the infantryman's primary arm, the rifle. Elsewhere in the article is a helo company that trained at Ft. Sill by saying "bang! bang!" because they had no ammo for their pistols.

I don't think citizens should have to go for training or certification for a CCW unless they want to. My point is although as a quasi military/police force the USCG seems to have trained you well, in general military boot camps are not what I would consider world class firearm instruction. Just my 20 mills.


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Post by msredneck on Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:02 pm

Off subject - but I figure in the Marines they teach you how to shoot a rifle pretty well....

after all, every Marine is a rifleman IDK

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Post by kcin on Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:21 pm

Chap wrote:
I guess what it cuts to is, you can train anyone but it comes down to personal responsibility to stay safe.
Chap


This couldn't be more ture! When I was still in college a few years ago I had a roommate that was in the Marines. His marksmanship skills where pretty good but he was the most reckless person when it came to firearm safety. The guy was constantly playing with loaded weapons in the house. It truely amazes me that he never had an AD in the house.

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