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Post by judgedelta on Sun May 01, 2011 4:17 pm


http://www.2ndamendmenttv.com/videos/shotguns/lost-arts-pt-1.html

I saw this on another forum and thought it interesting. Probably wouldn't work too well in an auto or a pump.

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Re: cut shells

Post by doggoner on Sun May 01, 2011 7:25 pm

Cool demo etc,etc. However, when you force a larger projectile than the bore diameter down the bore, the breech pressure go up. You folks may want to try this but my common sense alarlm just went off. If you try this and have a bad result, please have your estate manager advertise your gun collection on this forum so we can help raise monies for your family.

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Post by 3spop on Sun May 01, 2011 8:20 pm

My dad always called them 'ringers'. Nothing new.

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Re: cut shells

Post by captain-03 on Sun May 01, 2011 10:53 pm

Interesting ... plastic should compress very welll ...

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Re: cut shells

Post by Doug Bowser on Mon May 02, 2011 1:00 am

Very dangerous. I have read that this practice causes 2X normal pressure.

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Post by fastarrow on Mon May 02, 2011 9:55 am

Well if anything. They ruined a good bucket.

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Post by Matt K on Mon May 02, 2011 11:47 am

Interesting. I'm too scared to try it tho.

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Re: cut shells

Post by judgedelta on Mon May 02, 2011 11:49 am

I wouldn't ever try that or advocate doing so, but I thought it interesting. Just sayin...

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Post by Xd357 on Mon May 02, 2011 7:30 pm

Doug Bowser wrote:Very dangerous. I have read that this practice causes 2X normal pressure.

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just for conversation, let's say I've got a gun that will shoot 3-1/2" mags. Will a 2-3/4"
"cut shell" be over the 3-1/2"?????

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Post by captain-03 on Mon May 02, 2011 7:39 pm

Xd357 wrote:
Doug Bowser wrote:Very dangerous. I have read that this practice causes 2X normal pressure.

Doug


just for conversation, let's say I've got a gun that will shoot 3-1/2" mags. Will a 2-3/4"
"cut shell" be over the 3-1/2"?????


I do not believe that Doug is talking about the "Length" but rather the diameter of the shotshell. A 2 3/4 and a 3 1/2 shotshell both have the same diameter .... only difference is length to accommodate more shot. Pressure could rise when you force the plastic outer shell through the barrel rather than just the wad and shot going through it ....

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Post by Xd357 on Mon May 02, 2011 7:51 pm

Right, I understand but do you think that the shorter shell "cut" will have more prerssure that the magnum?

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Re: cut shells

Post by judgedelta on Mon May 02, 2011 8:54 pm

It seems that the weight of the shot charge and the amount of powder you have set off would both contribute to the pressure. I would think that a 2 3/4 shell would be foolish, or at least risky; a 3 1/3 incher (magnum load) would be almost a death wish. Good luck with that...

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Re: cut shells

Post by Doug Bowser on Tue May 03, 2011 3:44 am

Shotguns are not built with the safety factor that a centerfire rifle has. If you spike the pressure in a shotgun, I am sure there could be a catastrophic failure. The real problem is, the shotgun barrel usually bursts right where the non-shooting hand holds the forearm. The length of the shell has little to do with the pressure in the shell.

It is dangerous to shoot a 3" shell in a 2-3/4" chamber because the end of the star crimp folds into the barrel's forcing cone and the shot and wad has to force it's way past the unfolded crimp. I believe ringing a shotshell would create pressures greater than the use of a 3" shell in a 2-3/4" chamber. Thus causing a real problem. By the way, paper shells compress easier than plastic shells. I was given 6000 paper shells a few years ago and I have loaded them extensively. They are much softer than plastic shells.

Another old wives tail with shotguns is, removing the shot in a 12 ga shell and replacing it with dimes. This could be done with a cylinder bored gun but would cause high pressure in a full choked bore. Also the dimes will not fit in a modern shell with a shot cup plastic wad. It would work with an olde fashioned all paper wad with no shot cup. A shot cup wad would increase pressures as well.

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Re: cut shells

Post by judgedelta on Tue May 03, 2011 11:53 am

Wonder what kind of pattern you would get with dimes at 25 yds.?

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Post by SHANE704 on Wed May 11, 2011 10:11 am

not good...i watched someone test it on some tv show, cant remember what it was but the pattern wasnt good at all

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Post by mascott on Thu May 12, 2011 10:08 am

It would seem that some people have never seen a failure in a firearm before. holy sheep

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Re: cut shells

Post by p moore on Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:48 pm

Well, I can tell you. Today, I tried both wax slugs, and cut shells in my Maverick 88. I did pick up an Imp. Cyl. choke before I tried this.

The report: Both worked well, and no kaboom. I have an old oak tree that I use in the back yard for a backstop, and both burried about 2 1/2" - 3" in the old tree. I did recover one of the cut shells, and the wad was still with the shot and hull.

I was using 2 3/4" 7 1/2 shot for this. The one point I saw on another forum that made me feel a little bit better about trying this is the fact that the crimp is the safeguard, or the pressure relief for the cut shells. if pressures get too high, the crimp lets go, and the shot and wad leave the end of the gun. Now if this were to happen, the hull would remain, and be an obstruction.

This is not something I will be doing on a regular basis, but it does work.

Now for the wax slugs, HECK YEA, those should be no danger, and they do perform almost as well. From 25 yards into the old tree, I still only saw one hole, and burried quite deep. Trying to recover this, was well lets just say, I saw the mass of shot, but could not recover anything. they just fell into my hands.

What a blast.

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Post by Dr. 10/22 on Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:41 pm

The old load o' dimes trick can be found on the box of truth site.
This is where I would put the link if I knew how to do that fancy pants message board stuff.

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Post by Scott T. on Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:47 pm

This should cover the dimes in a shotgun mention earlier.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot35.htm

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Re: cut shells

Post by DBChaffin on Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:14 pm

Xd357 wrote:
Doug Bowser wrote:Very dangerous. I have read that this practice causes 2X normal pressure.

Doug


just for conversation, let's say I've got a gun that will shoot 3-1/2" mags. Will a 2-3/4"
"cut shell" be over the 3-1/2"?????

From what I can find, max SAAMI pressure specifications for 12 gauge is 11,500 psi for 2-3/4 and 3", and 14,000 psi for 3-1/2". So if what Doug read is correct and the pressure can be twice normal pressure for a 2-3/4", then obviously yes, it could be over 50% more than 3-1/2" max pressure.

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