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Post by SHANE704 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:07 am

I have found a few I like, the sig 1911's seems to be very reasonably priced...are they good pistols?

also anybody have one of these http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=236070181

my original plan was to buy a colt or springer and have a nice trigger put in it but now im lookin more into the kimber and higher end pistols....which way is the best route?

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Post by Eaglestroker on Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:24 am

I don't think you can go wrong with most any of the larger name. I wish I had waited and bought a colt but am also happy with my Kimbers. If our into putting money into guns the Custom/Stainless II or an SA Loaded seem like great buys that need only a little work to be awesome.

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Post by fastarrow on Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:54 am

The Springfield LOADED is a nice weapon. I have a Springfield Range Officer just for using at the range and I love it! I have owned a couple Kimbers. But I just don't see spending that much for a 1911 when there are other brands that are just as nice or better for less.
But you are the man with the want & money. Get what you can't live without. lol

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Post by Beladran on Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:56 am

all this 1911 talk.... makes me sad my springer trophy match aint here yet = (

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Post by SHANE704 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:02 am

i know i want a 4" barrel and night sites....I know I dont want it blued....other than that im open for just about anything

any suggestions?

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Post by Eaglestroker on Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:05 am

SA Champion Loaded, and call it a day. GREAT gun.

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Post by Beladran on Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:10 am

the warthogs are a handfull... and not in a good way.. if you want to spend say 7-800 on a good 1911
look at one of these
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=236073946

or for a little more $$
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=236229072
which is dads carry gun and one sweet shooter

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Post by SHANE704 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:40 pm

how is the kimber's trigger?

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Post by Beladran on Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:52 pm

I think they are fantastic for a factory gun

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Post by ftsibley on Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:01 pm

most 1911 have great triggers, as compared to other non 1911 pistols. Kimbers are fine, You can have a gunsmith tune the trigger to fit your personal taste better. There are some good 1911 smith's in MS.

I prefer a colt over other 1911 although i have had 7 or 8 kimbers and they have all been good guns. I Still have one kimber in my safe- thanks Beldran big thumb up .
My preference is still a series 70 gun and have my smith build it from there. i end up spending more than on a kimber or springer built one, but i do end up with it built just like i want.

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Post by jakeg823 on Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:13 pm

SHANE704 wrote:i know i want a 4" barrel and night sites....I know I dont want it blued....other than that im open for just about anything

any suggestions?


4", so do you want a full size frame? or a compact/officers frame?

I have a Kimber Compact CDP II and it is a FANTASTIC gun. It had some kinks in the beginning, but those are fixed now. also had it refinished by Birdsong. the CDP line comes with night sights, as do several others. for most people looking at kimbers, the CDP line is the best bang for the buck, but there are countless others that would fill your 4" and night sights requirement.

heres a whole thread on mine: http://www.msgunowners.com/t11384-dropped-off-some-work-for-birdsong?highlight=dropped+off+some+work+birdsong

i'd offer a test run at it, but wayne county is a bit far out for me...if you happen to make it over towards the jackson area you'd be welcome to try her out.

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Post by FS00008 on Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:29 pm

SA Champion or Kimber IMHO. That being said, take a look at the Ruger SR1911, MSRP is $799 (Although they've been going at around $700 near me or less), they're Series 70 spec, and made 100% in the USA. Big deal for me. I hate how Kimber insists on the Series 80 junk in a lot of their guns or I'd be pushing them more. And SA is made in Brazil.

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Post by FS00008 on Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:30 pm

Oh, and stay as far away from the dang Paras as possible. They're utter junk IMHO. Expensive, but junk. At least the ones I've owned in the past have been.

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Post by jakeg823 on Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:45 pm

FS00008 wrote:SA Champion or Kimber IMHO. That being said, take a look at the Ruger SR1911, MSRP is $799 (Although they've been going at around $700 near me or less), they're Series 70 spec, and made 100% in the USA. Big deal for me. I hate how Kimber insists on the Series 80 junk in a lot of their guns or I'd be pushing them more. And SA is made in Brazil.


Agree 100% but series 80(or the II for kimbers) is no biggie to me until it comes to detail stripping/changing firing pin springs, because then you need a 3rd hand

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Post by moredes on Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:20 am

SHANE704 wrote:I have found a few I like, the sig 1911's seems to be very reasonably priced...are they good pistols?


I was raised to be a fan of Colts. I've been through my share. I've got 2 or 3 left, all of them extremely customized. I sold off all the stock Colts--70 or 80, it didn't matter--they all needed extensive work to bring them up to Sig/SA/Kimber quality. I've never owned an SA, and have only one Kimber. I've never found a another Kimber I liked enough to buy, and the same can be said for the entire SA line. I thought they were overpriced for all the refinements and options (on both brands), though for the most part, their triggers were fair to good, with some rare excellent trigger examples. The one quality I objected to most was fitment. Even when I perused the SA and Kimber booths at the 2009 SHOT show, I was generally unimpressed with their slide-to-frame fit. (I guess neither company thought it 'completely' necessary to devote attention to that fit and feel, since it is generally acknowledged that slide-to-frame fit only contributes ~5% towards accuracy....the general belief is that barrel-to-slide fitment quality contributes > 90% of an 11's inherent accuracy, and both SA and Kimber seem to have that down.) Oddly, the Kimber I bought is an Ultra Ten II--it has an abominable reputation for FTF's and FTE's, but mine has run like a champ without alterations from the first day. I wouldn't sell it if I could. Kimber discontinued them rather than service them they were so bad, but mine was an extremely early production, and I guess I lucked out.

I have two Sig 1911's--the XO and a late-model C3. They are fantastic guns, especially for their cost. I've had three C3's--each one was purchased as an aesthetic advancement over its' predecessor; I ended up with a black Nitron slide-and-frame C3. The early C3's are distinguished by the "manhole" cover on the right side of the slide. These early models had some barrel bushing problems that required use of the fabulous Sig warranty (no sarcasm intended). These early bushings were out-sourced and not machined to correct dimensions, causing the barrel to batter the bushing until it cracked. Sig will send a shipping label and repair, inspect and test their gun for no cost. I've had it done on the only early-model I purchased. They replaced the barrel and bushing and tested it, supplying me another target with the warranty service.

Late model C3's (at least the two I've had) and the XO seem to function fine. I'm very pleased with the Nitron finish; after at least 6 months of daily holstering, the one CCW Sig I use shows absolutely no sign of wear. It has held up as well as my Ion Bond guns. (I don't usually carry a Sig daily--I have a true custom gun I prefer, but I carry the Sig as my beater, especially out-of-state [just in case].) All four of the Sigs I've owned rack like glass-oil-glass sandwich; each part is as smoothly finished inside as out; the triggers are consistently fantastic and hover at 4 to 4-1/2 lb, crisp (but not overly so)--a good 'combat' trigger that can be used for target shooting.

I have nothing bad to say about Sig 1911's. Now Para's on the other hand are extremely expensive in my opinion, especially for all the complaints I've read about their performance and warranty service. I've just never liked a Para enough to take a chance, considering their internet reputation.

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Post by moredes on Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:23 am

moredes wrote:
SHANE704 wrote:I have found a few I like, the sig 1911's seems to be very reasonably priced...are they good pistols?


I was raised to be a fan of Colts. I've been through my share. I've got 3 left, all of them extremely customized (Jim Hoag, Ted Yost, Bill Wilson circa 1995). I sold off all the stock Colts--70 or 80, it didn't matter--they all needed extensive work to bring them up to Sig/SA/Kimber quality. I've never owned an SA, and have only one Kimber. I've never found a another Kimber I liked enough to buy, and the same can be said for the entire SA line. I thought they were overpriced for all the refinements and options (on both brands), though for the most part, their triggers were fair to good, with some rare excellent trigger examples. The one quality I objected to most was fitment. Even when I perused the SA and Kimber booths at the 2009 SHOT show, I was generally unimpressed with their slide-to-frame fit. (I guess neither company thought it 'completely' necessary to devote attention to that fit and feel, since it is generally acknowledged that slide-to-frame fit only contributes ~5% towards accuracy....the general belief is that barrel-to-slide fitment quality contributes > 90% of an 11's inherent accuracy, and both SA and Kimber seem to have that down.) Oddly, the Kimber I bought is an Ultra Ten II--it has an abominable reputation for FTF's and FTE's, but mine has run like a champ without alterations from the first day. I wouldn't sell it if I could. Kimber discontinued them rather than service them they were so bad, but mine was an extremely early production, and I guess I lucked out.

I have two Sig 1911's--the XO and a late-model C3. They are fantastic guns, especially for their cost. I've had three C3's--each one was purchased as an aesthetic advancement over its' predecessor; I ended up with a black Nitron slide-and-frame C3. The early C3's are distinguished by the "manhole" cover on the right side of the slide. These early models had some barrel bushing problems that required use of the fabulous Sig warranty (no sarcasm intended). These early bushings were out-sourced and not machined to correct dimensions, causing the barrel to batter the bushing until it cracked. Sig will send a shipping label and repair, inspect and test their gun for no cost. I've had it done on the only early-model I purchased. They replaced the barrel and bushing and tested it, supplying me another target with the warranty service.

Late model C3's (at least the two I've had) and the XO seem to function fine. I'm very pleased with the Nitron finish; after at least 6 months of daily holstering, the one CCW Sig I use shows absolutely no sign of wear. It has held up as well as my Ion Bond guns. (I don't usually carry a Sig daily--I have a true custom gun I prefer, but I carry the Sig as my beater, especially out-of-state [just in case].) All four of the Sigs I've owned rack like glass-oil-glass sandwich; each part is as smoothly finished inside as out; the triggers are consistently fantastic and hover at 4 to 4-1/2 lb, crisp (but not overly so)--a good 'combat' trigger that can be used for target shooting.

I have nothing bad to say about Sig 1911's. Now Para's on the other hand are extremely expensive in my opinion, especially for all the complaints I've read about their performance and warranty service. I've just never liked a Para enough to take a chance, considering their internet reputation.

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Post by Custom Baer on Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:09 pm

Two words: LES BAER

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Post by Beladran on Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:19 pm

i kinda figured that was your brand of choice by your name lol

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Post by Cliff Cargill on Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:15 pm

Don't get me started on para. The metalurgy is terrible. It's where old pots and pans go to die.

Old 70 series Colts are nice, but mostly are safe queens if you can find one that hasn't been worn out, or smithed on by someone that is a kitchen table hack...the typical fate of one.

Low dollar, but still a good gun: The Springfield Range Officer....We used to have these built up from the basic GI model for USPSA 20 years ago....It cost a whole lot more back then.

Or, if you want to go high-dollar: Caspian frame and slide with a Kart barrel built by world famous Bob Jones.

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Post by msredneck on Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:43 pm

I agree with Cliff

Para = POS

I've been eyeing the new Range Officer for a while...I trust Springfield to put out a good product


If money were no object...I'd consider a Les Baer....I really like the STI's but I don't shoot well enough to justify having one Razz


Ya'll all know how I feel about the old ponies....

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