"Full faith and credit clause" of the US Constitution

The Fourth Amendment is also known as the "Full faith and credit clause" of the US Constitution.

It's what allows us to drive in New York with a Mississippi driver's license.

It will soon require Mississippi to honor a marriage of gays in New York when they move to Mississippi.

So, why is my CCW permit not honored in all other states?

Here is the clause:

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Two words - State's Rights.

sidroski wrote:Two words - State's Rights.

So, each state has passed laws that give reciprocity with all other states on drivers' licenses?

Maybe so...but when there is a conflict in the Constitution (e.g., civil rights vs state's rights), the Federal courts typically consider the Tenth Amendment to be the last to be honored.

Let's hope those "newly married" (in 30 days) stay up in that wonderfull place called NY.

Unfortunately, in another 4 or 5 years the rest of the States will cave

I read someplace a few years ago that the issue with marriages versus permits of any sort is that a marriage is legally a contract between two people. Permits, be they for driving, hunting, selling tacos from the trunk of your car or whatnot are privileges awarded by your state. I've not done any research into the matter for myself, I don't intend to ever knock up a guy and be forced to marry him.

Yeah, but the state gets involved (obviously) in a marriage between two people. You need to get a license.

That makes it like a driver's license.

Otherwise, New York would not have needed to change their law.

(And if states didn't license marriage, you could legally marry your pet monkey or maybe your dog.)

AR15.com says all the states have passed laws giving marriage reciprocity with all other states.

Now some are having second thoughts.

The Feds will step in same as they did with mom and pop restaurants that refused to serve interstate travellers in the 1960s.

Interesting. Let's look at the issue of common law marriages. The state of Mississippi does not recognize common law marriage amongst it's citizens. However, it states that if you live in a state that recognizes common law marriages and are considered by that state to be legally married, then the state of Mississippi will honor that recognition and accept you as being married (if traveling / visiting our state). So, will gay marriages be treated the same way?

CAJNFRND wrote:Interesting. Let's look at the issue of common law marriages. The state of Mississippi does not recognize common law marriage amongst it's citizens. However, it states that if you live in a state that recognizes common law marriages and are considered by that state to be legally married, then the state of Mississippi will honor that recognition and accept you as being married (if traveling / visiting our state). So, will gay marriages be treated the same way?

Yeah, I thought about that (common law marriage), too.

Obviously the tide of accepting homosexuality as normal is rising.

All you need to do is watch TV.

It's a sad day in my opinion and it bodes bad news for the future of the nation.

But it has been my observation that "bad" trumps "good" every time in society.

I really think it is the natural progression of everything, when left uninfluenced by an external force, to evolve downward.

NRA_guy wrote:



But it has been my observation that "bad" trumps "good" every time in society.

I really think it is the natural progression of everything, when left uninfluenced by an external force, to evolve downward.

The terms that spring to mind are "entropy", "devolution", and "decadence".

Too bad people don't think about what the term "conservative" really means, ie Something is worth conserving therefore one strives to keep it the same! I think C. S. Lewis was right about "Progress" when he used the egg analogy, basically said "progress" was analogous to "going bad".

As far as states rights, not all states recognize your permit, license or whatever for Law, EMT, Wills, Nursing and Hunting/Fishing. Most do but not all.

Stonewall wrote:

NRA_guy wrote:



But it has been my observation that "bad" trumps "good" every time in society.

I really think it is the natural progression of everything, when left uninfluenced by an external force, to evolve downward.

The terms that spring to mind are "entropy", "devolution", and "decadence".

Too bad people don't think about what the term "conservative" really means, ie Something is worth conserving therefore one strives to keep it the same! I think C. S. Lewis was right about "Progress" when he used the egg analogy, basically said "progress" was analogous to "going bad".

Yeah, I typed some stuff about the Second Law of THermodynamics, but deleted it.

Here is a good quote, "The Second Law states that every system left to its own devices always tends to move from order to disorder, its energy tending to be transformed into lower levels of availability, finally reaching the state of complete randomness and unavailability for further work."

But I see the "bad" trumps "good" in other places:

a. One drug dealer moves into a quiet neighborhood. In a few years the good folks have moved and the street is resident to drug dealers, drug users, prostitutes, and crime goes up.

If a good, law abiding person moves into a lawless neighborhood, you don't see the opposite change unless there is an organized "urban renewal" effort.

b. There is a law in economics that "bad money drives good money out of circulation". You notice how quickly silver coins disappeared when the non-silver coins were introduced. How quickly he "silver certificates" disappeared when the Federal notes came out.

c. Note how good, honorable folks began avoiding getting into politics when thugs and crooks got involved.

bad always trumps good...

Put a teaspoon of sewage in a 50 gallon drum of pure spring water...what do you have ?

answer: 50 Gallon of sewage