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223/5.56 AMMO

Post by Golfer on Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:54 am

Have heard there is "good" ammo, and not so good. Being new to this, would appreciate advise on what is good, and what to stay away from. Also, what would be good prices and best places to buy. I've done searches on line and there are tons of places and prices. Thanks for guidance.

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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by Myers on Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:37 am

Wolf/Monarch is steel cased "cheap" ammo. Made in russia, or one of their former satellite countries. Works well in most AR's, but the steel casings can be hard on extractors. I have no problems with it.

Really AR's will eat most anything as far as plain AR's go. Just make sure your AR is actually chambered for 5.56 as well as .223 before you use true 5.56, because there is a difference, and some AR's aren't chambered for both amazingly. Good ammo is going to be up to like Federal gold metal or something. For a plinking gun, Wolf or monarch will be perfectly fine, and if you want some better ammo, PMC bronze, or federal american eagle.

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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by msredneck on Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:44 pm

Think this topic needs to be moved to ammunition section

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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by msredneck on Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:17 pm

Gracias to the Mods thumbs up

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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by Golfer on Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:28 pm

Thank you - should have thought of that

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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by SubGunFan on Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:35 pm

Just do NOT buy lacquer coated steel case ammo for an AR. That stuff is pretty much gone now so not a big deal.

FYI: I think Monach steel cased 223 (blue box, not red box) is lacquer coated.... IIRC.

I would not buy zinc coated steel case 223 either................


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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by miker84 on Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:47 pm

SubGunFan wrote:Just do NOT buy lacquer coated steel case ammo for an AR. That stuff is pretty much gone now so not a big deal.

FYI: I think Monach steel cased 223 (blue box, not red box) is lacquer coated.... IIRC.

I would not buy zinc coated steel case 223 either................


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I have shot many hundreds of rounds of silver bear zinc through my beater AR without any problems. That being said, brass ammo is coming down enough that I'm not buying any steel or zinc case as this is used up.

On a side note, Hornday is coming out with a line of steel cased ammo scratch

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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by BigRoost on Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:56 pm

Some people really bash the steel cased stuff, but if your gun shoots it go ahead. I have been through quite abit of the wolf stuff without any problems so far.

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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by msredneck on Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:59 pm

As some have said before...extractors are cheap...

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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by SubGunFan on Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:31 pm

Polymer coated steel case 223/556........ NO problem.

And true...... AR extractors are cheap (if need be).


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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by Scharfschütze on Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:49 pm

RE: Steel cased .223 ammo: there is a reason no nation using this caliber issues steel-cased ammunition to its military! Extractors aren't cheap OR quick to replace in AR-type rifles if they break in a SHTF situation, be that the next post-Katrina-level hurricane environment, or the theoretical "World War Z" fight against zombies. Don't load the stuff into your "serious" AR rifle or mags if it is a "serious" situation. Cheap to play with, but not for any other use -
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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by SubGunFan on Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:12 pm

Scharfschütze wrote:RE: Steel cased .223 ammo: there is a reason no nation using this caliber issues steel-cased ammunition to its military! Extractors aren't cheap OR quick to replace in AR-type rifles if they break in a SHTF situation, be that the next post-Katrina-level hurricane environment, or the theoretical "World War Z" fight against zombies. Don't load the stuff into your "serious" AR rifle or mags if it is a "serious" situation. Cheap to play with, but not for any other use -
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Now this I agree 100% with. Steel case (polymer) for practice and play. Quality brass case for your defense.



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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by M1GarandFan on Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:59 am

I agree. Plus the steel case stuff is really dirty. I've shot a lot of it through my ARs, but I have to make sure to clean them really well afterwards. I've been getting enough brass case ammo and am reloading some that I no longer really need to buy any steel case stuff.

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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by Golfer on Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:50 am

Thanks for the insights. I see PMC inbrass casing 55 grain, 295 +25 shipping per 1000, and New Lake City in brass 55 grain for 285 +30 shipping on gunbroker. Think the NLC is reloads. Is this good ammo to buy for practice/target ?

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Re: 223/5.56 AMMO

Post by miker84 on Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:47 am

The PMC is good for practice. The brass is good for reloading too.
Hard to say if the gunbroker ammo you referenced are reloads without the link, but if the brass is new, I don't see how it could be a reload.

I order a good bit from Palmetto when it is on sale. Right now they have Federal XM193 55gr for $147.95 per 500 so that is about $296 plus $12 shipping when you order 1000. And that isn't really a sale, just a regular price. Shipping is usually the big variable. Palmetto is always $12 on a 1000 rnds. So you have to check that part out when you do the math. Every now and then someone will have free shipping, but the price of the ammo is higher (to cover the "free" shipping). Once in a great while, someone will have a great price AND free shipping, but you have to jump on those as soon as you can because they go away real fast once the word gets out.


This site is pretty good for showing you the current prices on ammo with shipping. It doesn't catch the sales, but I use it for price checks.

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And finally, I'll throw out another vote for reloading. thumbs up You'll get high quality brass ammo for equal to or lower $ than the cheapest third world steel case.


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