Don't Crap On Threads Rule

[slabsides45]

I haven't said so, because it wasn't my business in individual cases, but I've got a suggestion for improving the guns for sale (or anything else someone posts for sale, for that matter). If you don't care for the brand, your brother in law had a bad experience with it, you saw the price cheaper on the XYZ.com site, or whatever, great. But posting such material, which clearly is not beneficial to the poster, is in poor taste IMHO. We've all been at gun shows and seen "that guy" that stands by the vendor's table and tells him (and anyone else who'll listen) how his product is 20% higher than Joe's is right over there, or how this same piece sold for $200.00 less just last week, and THAT one was graded 95% NRA. Dunno about you, but I always enjoy it when the seller tells Mr. Know It All to go soak his head. I don't think a single one I've read even realized what he was doing, but go back and read 'em, and you'll see.

I suggest we have a rule that if you have a comment that might negatively influence a potential buyer's opinion, you simply PM or email the seller and discuss the issue or opinion privately. This would save frustration on the part of several, based on my reading of the want ads. Basic rule: don't crap on another guy's thread.... Thanks!

[NRA_guy]

I guess I am different---probably because I rarely sell anything to anybody---but I have never understood why it is so wrong to say, "MidwayUSA has them on sale for $x.xx."

I don't feel any allegiance to a seller, especially one who is trying to make an exorbitant profit on an unsuspecting buyer, or one who is trying to unload a piece of junk on someone.

I know I would appreciate such information.

Of course, everybody should take everything with a grain of salt.

Why, exactly do you feel like other members should participate in allowing a bad deal to go down?

If something is a good deal, I would not hesitate to say so, and I see no reason why members should be silent on bad deals.

Just my $0.02.

[Guest]

I see both sides of the argument. I would like to think if I was about to buy something way over priced someone would take pity and clue me in. On the other hand, if I am the seller, I expect to get close to what I have it priced. On the other hand......Buyer Beware.

[sidroski]

Buyer beware as you say and do your due diligence. There are plenty of sites to get an idea if it is a fair deal. That's one reason my 2 cents is for a length of time or number of post for people to sell. Anyone on the forum a while is less likely to hose someone simply because the other members will know if it's a straight deal or or not. That's my opinion and it and $2 will get you a cup of coffee.

But it's not my forum and the people that put it together set the rules. Anyone that don't like them are free to leave.

[slabsides45]

I never said that you should stand by and let another member get hosed. If you can find that one, quote it back to me, please. What I said was that if you have an opinion regarding the deal, PM the buyer and let him know. There's no reason to give an opinion on a gun, for example, that you have neither seen nor handled personally. You have no idea of the minor details of the gun that might or might not have been omitted that might increase the value of the gun. For example, a pistol that's been to a gunsmith and had work done might be listed for a higher price, but the seller might be waiting for interest to type an entire outline of the add ons. I think it's simply rude to say anything online that you wouldn't say in person. Must just be me, but I would never walk up to two people and scuttle a deal right there in front of God and everyone. Instead, I'd ask my friend (or the buyer, if for some reason I felt obliged to rescue a stranger) to step aside with me for just a sec, then I'd let him know my opinion and leave him to make the final call.

Most of the forums I frequent either lock your ad up so that comments must be directed to the seller directly, or they stipulate that you cannot make negative comments on an item. Simply stated, either buy it, negotiate to buy it, say something positive, or walk away. Doesn't matter much to me since I don't usually sell much on here, but again, I personally prefer a polite society.

BTW,. +1 on making Sellers have 20 or 40 or however many posts prior to selling an item. At least you'll know a post-whore when you see 'em coming...

[NRA_guy]

What I said was that if you have an opinion regarding the deal, PM the buyer and let him know. There's no reason to give an opinion on a gun, for example, that you have neither seen nor handled personally.

Exactly how would I know that a potential buyer is thinking about buying something so I could PM him?

Yes, I realize that most forums police negative comments about sales, but I have never understood why forum administrators feel so compelled to support a member who wants to sell an item at an outrageous price.

I see posts complaining about such practices on GunBroker.com and such, and folks think it's OK.

I see posts making everyone aware of political shenanigans and it's OK.

I see posts accusing other posters of being stupid and it's OK.

I don't understand why it's not OK for me to say, "Well, your price is outrageous."

As I said before, I feel no allegiance to a scalper, and knowing somebody is hosing unsuspecting members and remaining silent kind of makes me a party to the action.

We were both novices once. Some folks out there are just breaking into the gun scene and have very little to spend. I have seen guys seriously consider laying out good money on stuff like a laser that mounts on the front of the trigger guard.

Truth never hurts anybody except cheats and liars.

[msredneck]

Hey Slab,

I'll bet you may be referring to me....I tend to speak my mind right or wrong...It's not just that way on here either, I assure you.

I can see both sides....If a deal looks kinda outrageous or I know of another place you can get it it better or cheaper then I'm gonna say so. Most of the time I do it in a pm.

What I hate seeing on here are the stop by sellers....new folks who never add anything to the forum but who want to sell their stuff...My opinion is that you should be an established poster before you can post ads....

But then again, they have a right to post their ad...That's why we have the section....my suggestion is if someone views an ad a little negatively....reply why they are wrong and why we should want to buy your item for the price stated.

And post good pictures....else get ready to take some "constructive criticism"....I'll won't just sit by and let another forum member be screwed....I'll call if I need to and others may do the same as long as its civil....I view it all as haggling....

Ultimately it will be left up to Hammer, I'm sure He has seen this thread and is waiting on what a few others have to say

My 2 cents....ya'll carry on

[slabsides45]

'neck, I wasn't referring to you specifically. I've seen several comments on the for sale ads that could fall into my broad brushed statement. Here's the thing, though, and I've made the point I wanted to make, FWIW. If I have a (for example) Mossberg pump 12 ga. for sale, and post it at $185 firm, then that's what I want. Not what I'll necessarily get, but what I want. Now, if someone's been looking for one, they SHOULD know what one is worth. If they want to pay that, then that's their bidness. If they can buy one from Cletis down the road for $150, they should do that and not bother announcing to the world that they're gonna do it. Maybe it's just like everything else, how we view the world. I'm not usually a boisterous, in your face guy. I'll buy it if I want it, even if it's a bit more than I'd LIKE to pay, or either I'll quietly check out and walk away. I just don't see blasting the seller on my way out. Oh well, different strokes.... But back to your post, 'neck-naw, wasn't you specifically that I was aiming at. I'm cool with every one of my msgunowners brothas, just sharing my opinion-like y'all. 'Nuff said.

[slabsides45]

nra guy, just re-read your last post, and I didn't address your question. On many forums, the seller will say that if you send him a PM, you should also post a message on the board saying "PM sent". In this way, you'd know that this guy was considering buying and be able to contact him, should you feel he's being taken for a ride.

Don't get me wrong on this, BTW, I'd never sit by and let any of you get hosed if I saw what was up first. I'd PM you and share my opinion, b/c you're friends of mine. Being honest, though, I dunno if I'd say anything one way or another if I didn't know one party or the other in the transaction.

[msredneck]

Hey slab...if you have a Mossberg 12 Ga tactical for $185 pm me quick

Hammer - Maybe we should revise the ad rules a bit..."what your mother taught you" as a child should apply I guess...

If you aint got nuttin nice to say bout someone else's stuff...then keep yo mouth shut

probably not a bad idea!

[NRA_guy]

If you aint got nuttin nice to say bout someone else's stuff...then keep yo mouth shut.

Why limit it to someone's stuff?

Why not, "If you aint got nuttin nice to say...then keep yo mouth shut"?

Then we can all sit around the campfire and sing "Kumbaya" and eat Smores.

[msredneck]

I fella just can't win....sigh, pass the marshmellows

[Hammer]

I have been considering the 30 minumum post rule before selling. We have a couple members who are only here to sell stuff. This site has a classifieds section, but is not a classifieds forum, if you get my meaning.

As far as the comments from others on items being sold and what not, I try not to say anything about the item or what others say about it, as long as the rules are followed. I feel that removing or limiting comments on sellers products would be along the lines of censorship. As long as no cussin' and name calling is going on, I tend to stay out of it. Now, I have PM'ed a seller and ask why an item is so high. Sometimes the history of an item or other features will make the price higher than you can buy a comparable one for.

Ultimately, it comes down to personal responsibility on commenting. If a member is comfortable making a comment on a sellers item, then so be it. I think some things should not be said, but that goes back to personal responsibility. I don't want to engage in censorship. As long as things stay civil, I wont.

(PS. I don't know about singing Kumbaya, but SMORES sound good!)

[slabsides45]

It ain't tactical, 'neck, but I can paint it flat black and CALL it tactical, if it'll raise the price!

[msredneck]

Have and extended mag tube? Holds 7 or so.

Ghost ring sights

18.5 inch barrel

adjustable butt stock

that's what I call tactical! Yeah I know the term is way over used

Carry one Slab...will try not to crap on your threads too much

[kyhareraiser]

nuthin' good to say,,,,,,say nuthin' at all ,,,,,in other words right??? that's what my ole' grand dad used to say

[sidroski]

I guess you can look at someone's number of post. If they're here just to rip off some old country boys, I think most of us have done enough tradin' to recognize that.
Just hate to see someone join to sell an never hear from them again. Like the new member at Church wanting to sell you life insurance 5 minutes after you went over to welcome him there.

[kyhareraiser]

yep,i agree. good thing to have guys like your self and others that look out for one another.. glad to be part of this crew .seems they all get along well and don't care to lend a helpin' hand on matters they know about

[Xd357]

Older post but I just found it. I tend to agree with slab on this. If it's not a question about the item for sale than don't comment about it. If it's was all good comments then it would be ok, it's just the negative ones that mess it up.

[captain-03]

Yea - I decided to leave this one up ...