un-accurate Winchester model 70.....

I have a Win. Model 70 in 7mm Rem. Mag. & it shoots all over the place. I read an article in the rifleman magazine that said model 70's with the big extractor claw (which mine is), its common because of the way its bedded or something like that. Anyone have any experience with this? Is it an easy fix?

what boolits are you shootin out of it?

The Winchester Ballistic Silvertips 150gr

Roundcount?? SUre the scope,ring an base is secure an tracking right?

Everything seems to be good & secure. A guy told me to wedge something between the bottom of the barrel & the forearm. Then he said shoot it to see if its any better. If so, the barrel will need to be reseated or whatever its called when they mate the barrel & stock. I haven't tried that yet, just wondering if anyone has tried that?

That rifle may have a free floating barrel meaning the forearm shouldn't be touching the barrel. Most rifles shoot better this way.
You can try putting something between the barrel and forearm to see if it helps.
Some rifles are more accurate while supported closer to the action than out towards the end because the stock is not stiff enough and when supported out at the end the forearm touches the barrel making it not "free float" anymore.
I would try supporting the rifle at the action and maybe a few different types of ammo.

Yes, it is a free floating barrel. But somewhere under the action, its glued to the stock in some kind of way. During the time period from when my gun was made, the glue they used was bad & wouldn't hold, allowing everything to move around. That's my understanding anyway. Anyone heard of that?

U mean your action is no longer properly bedded.... ?

I'd take it to a good smith and him look it over. We have several we like on here...BTW - I'd a put this topic in the gunsmithing section...

I have a Win Model 70 in 300 win and its a tack driver....one of my favorites

Its a good gun if you do your part

When's the last time you cleaned your barrel.

One of the easiest and cheapest ways to get smaller groups out of a factory rifle is a good trigger job. Start simple thoroughly clean the barrel, check that the base and rings are aligned and properly torqued, if that does not produce smaller groups check that your action screws are properly torqued to factory spec, loose action screws will let the action slide in the stock if the screws are over tight it will put the action in a bind if this does not work have the rifle glass bedded or replace the stock with one that has a aluminum bedding block like a Bell & Carlson or HS Precision or just sell it and buy a Savage lol.

Stryker6 wrote: just sell it and buy a Savage lol.

Is there anyone around Independence that can help this guy bed his action? It's a simple procedure that can cure many fundamental problems.

PM me if I can help you out.

grasshopper

I'm going double check everything again & clean it again, just to make sure I'm not over looking anything. If that doesn't help, I'll check more into finding a good gunsmith. Like I said earlier, I read where the action coming loose from the stock was a common problem with the guns with the big extractor claw, due to some bad adhesive they used at that time. Just wondered if there was a tell tale sign if that was the problem. I really appreciate all the help so far...

grasshopper wrote:Is there anyone around Independence that can help this guy bed his action? It's a simple procedure that can cure many fundamental problems.

PM me if I can help you out.

grasshopper

this is some good advice, we bedded two of my rifles and one is a tack driver and havent shot the other.

Common Rifle tweaks:

Bed the action

Float the barrel

smooth out the trigger...make sure the action is properly torqued

recrown the barrel if it is worn from riding around in the truck all these years

I'd even consider a rebarrel

Look in the gunsmithing section for a list of gunsmiths....

or make arrangements with Dixie Precision Rifles in Brandon or Billy Tierce in Utica, Ms....

Then get ready to wait....

or

sell gun to me..cept I hate 7 mags

about all the recommendations I could make...

with symptoms you describe it sure sounds like a scope mount issue....but I aint a smith...

No surprise there!! Lots of Winchester and Remington actions are so badly threaded that there is no way to have the bore inline with the action! Quite common these days and this comes from a very good RIFLE BUILDER near me that knows his stuff!! Rem and Win both are staying in business by living off names that were established 130 years ago! Now they're building junk and offering it to the public that wouldn't know quality if it came walking down the street!!

Before you do to a lot of trouble and expense, check your scope.
I had a scope go south on me at Raton, NM (NRA Whittington Center)and it went from tack driver to shotgun pattern. Actually there was a pattern of sorts to the way it was shooting. It started "dead on" and moved up and around in a clockwise pattern. I checked everything that I could think of on the rifle (a model 70 heavy barrel) and one of the guys with me suggested trying a different scope. I changed out the scope and everything went back to normal. May not be your problem, but it is worth a try.

how long you had the rifle? new, used? check the crown for damage.

AWSHUX wrote:I have a Win. Model 70 in 7mm Rem. Mag. & it shoots all over the place. I read an article in the rifleman magazine that said model 70's with the big extractor claw (which mine is), its common because of the way its bedded or something like that. Anyone have any experience with this? Is it an easy fix?

What kind of barrel is on it, like a pencil style or alittle heavier or what. Most of them have some bedding in it from factory and maybe a pressure point up in the forearm. How old is the rifle, try having the barrel slugged to see what the diameter is. I've seen new rifle's with barrel's that over slugged as much as .001 to .002 over the size of the caliber and they would shoot like a shotgun. The bore need's to be under size for the bullet size at least anywhere from .002 to .005 under the bullet size for accuracy to be good. And it still could be a number of thing's. YBRF Rambo

There are several problems that maybe wrong. I would check and make sure that the bolt in front of the recoil lug is tight. This is the problem with most large caliber rifles. The post below are correct, you need to change bullets because my DPMS will not shoot Hornady 150 bt, but it loves CT 168Silver Ballistictips. You posted that the bedding was loose, that can have the effect you are going through. I would look into getting a Bell And Carson stock while I was in the market of having the gun rebedded. The is another problem that can create a nightmare for shooters is damage to the crown. We put the barrel down on the floorboard and let it ride all the time and that crown is the last thing the bullet touches after leaving the barrel so it effect the bullet path the most.