Bad, Bad USPSA competitors Hi-jack my topic?

Ok, I have had some topics hijacked on other forums and I have hijacked some topics on other forums but the topic that got locked about "Most Popular Local Division" was a Masterpiece of Hijacking. Almost 900 views and 4 pages on a small State forum. I do not know everyone that posted on that topic but I know enough people in the local area handgun sports to know that it was all good natured joking around. Nobody got angry and nobody took any of it seriously except the good advice I got. That may not be apparent to the casual forum reader that is not familiar with this fine group of folks.

During my recent jaunt into the Handgun sports I have experienced nothing but safety, ethics, honesty and the wilingness of the experienced shooters to help the newbies. Most people will loan you or help you fix anything to keep you going in a Match. I cannot say that about other sports I have been involved with.

Thanks for the good advice. It looks like Production or Limited is the way to go depending on your pocket book. Another interesting thing is that there are so many good used Single Stacks out there for sale. Old eyes would sure like a Open Gun but the cost for a good one is way up there. There are positive factors in every Division.
(I am still wondering why that other topic I started got locked. Never had a topic locked before?)
Thanks,
Bobby H

It getting locked was mine and Myers' fault. We got a little carried away with the jokes and it quickly went downhill. Most of our comments were deleted (and rightfully so).

I apologize if what I said offended anyone. Just for the record, myself and Myers are good friends and I only said the things I did because he knew I was kidding. We were actually talking to each other on the phone shortly after the thread was locked.

And yes, the sport is FULL of great people.

Even Myers.

I'm seriously looking into either a Limited or Open gun. I'd prefer Open as my eye sight is not the best, but the price tag to get into Open is quite steep.

Wonder if there are any Limited platforms that can be relatively inexpensively tricked out to compete in Open, as an example a 2011 with a small Trijicon RMR or Leupold DeltaPoint Reflex Sight.

JD,

Check out the Brian Enos forum. At least once a week there is a complete Open setup (gun and mags) going for about $2000.

One sold recently with gun and mags for about $1750.

That's a lot, but remember what you're getting. If you're going to shoot open, you might as well shoot a 9mm caliber (.38 super, supercomp, 9 major) to get the capacity advantage.

I'll be on the lookout for you if you're not a member of the forum.

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=136589
This one is actually being sold in Mississippi by a guy on the coast. He's a member of this forum actually.


http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=136954

Will_M wrote:JD,

Check out the Brian Enos forum. At least once a week there is a complete Open setup (gun and mags) going for about $2000.

One sold recently with gun and mags for about $1750.

That's a lot, but remember what you're getting. If you're going to shoot open, you might as well shoot a 9mm caliber (.38 super, supercomp, 9 major) to get the capacity advantage.

I'll be on the lookout for you if you're not a member of the forum.

Thanks Will, can always count on you to be helpful. I am a member of Brian Enos forum, so I'll have to keep my eyes open and yes, $2,000 for the gun and mags is a deal, just don't think the wife will see it as such.

Guess I'll need to unload some of my hardly used/never used guns to finance a new toy.

This desire to get a Limited or Open gun is all Bud's fault, saw him at the range playing with an Open revolver, that and I used to have a Springfield Longslide in .45 ACP that had an AimPoint red dot that looked like a Trijicon RMR. That gun was a blast to shoot, accurate and quick to transition from target to target and this was technology from 10 years ago.

I'm selling (and have sold) several guns I've owned to get and keep shooting the limited gun I have now.

My theory is this, you can only (effectively) shoot one gun at a time, so having a safe full of regular factory guns is a waste. Get a few REALLY nice guns (rifles, handguns, whatever) and enjoy them.

So get rid of some of those old guns you know you're never going to shoot and get something you'll wear out!

Open guns are expensive, but they are very fun to shoot. When my eyes start to go south, my plan is to buy one, no matter the cost. I might buck the trend and get one in 40 though. I think the 1 or 2 round disadvantage might be worth the saving is brass...

chbrow10 wrote:Open guns are expensive, but they are very fun to shoot. When my eyes start to go south, my plan is to buy one, no matter the cost. I might buck the trend and get one in 40 though. I think the 1 or 2 round disadvantage might be worth the saving is brass...

I'm looking at going the 9mm major route.

I, and I think a lot of other people, would love to see Open return to prominence in MS. While it's not my personal cup of tea, I think it's a solid division that represents the edge of what's possible with a handgun and I appreciate that level of technology.

My experience tells me that shooter's aren't devoted to what they're shooting so much, they just want to be where the fun and the competition is. The popularity of divisions seems to me to have more to do with the personalities of the shooters in them than the guns themselves. Get a bunch of good guys shooting any division be it Open, Production, Revolver, etc. and people will see they're having fun and want to come join in. That momentum kind of snow balls and next thing you know it's two years later and a new division dominates. When I started ten years ago the popular division at Magnolia was shifting from Open to Limited, then it shifted to Revolver, and now it's shifting to Production.

Shoot what you want, just have fun.

Very astute observation, John.

DBChaffin wrote:The advantage to what Chris mentioned is that you could shoot major .40 in Limited and by adding a dot and some big sticks shoot Open, since you mentioned a combo platform... In my opinion (and I think Travis Tomasie has said this too and his opinion is worth a lot more than mine on this subject), the dot is more important than the comp in Open, if you could only have one of the two. 9mm will of course only be scored major in Open. Some folks don't care and a minor gun has come in top 5 at the Limited Nationals before, but it is something to think about. Or you could just keep an eye out for an SV with an interchangeable breechface and swap calibers. It won't be cheap, but it would be sweet, and definitely better than any STI (whoops, there I go starting the smack talk again! Ha.).

Bryant

Very good point about being able to shoot Open and Limited if I opt for a .40. I mentioned 9mm, because I already have the stuff needed to reload 9mm and if I'm not wrong 9mm is a fair bit cheaper to shoot then .40 correct?

Has there ever been any talk about allowing 9mm to be scored major in other divisions?

I too like the SV's more then the STI's, but SV's gun builder app has be totally confused, what with all the options. Guess I need to find some folks shooting SV's and the like and ask to handle their gun to see how it feels in my hand.

JohnHeiter wrote:I, and I think a lot of other people, would love to see Open return to prominence in MS. While it's not my personal cup of tea, I think it's a solid division that represents the edge of what's possible with a handgun and I appreciate that level of technology.

My experience tells me that shooter's aren't devoted to what they're shooting so much, they just want to be where the fun and the competition is. The popularity of divisions seems to me to have more to do with the personalities of the shooters in them than the guns themselves. Get a bunch of good guys shooting any division be it Open, Production, Revolver, etc. and people will see they're having fun and want to come join in. That momentum kind of snow balls and next thing you know it's two years later and a new division dominates. When I started ten years ago the popular division at Magnolia was shifting from Open to Limited, then it shifted to Revolver, and now it's shifting to Production.

Shoot what you want, just have fun.

I think the high price of admission will keep Open from being the big kid on the block, where as Limited and even more so Production, do not require such a large outlay of cash. Also it looks like in order to shoot Open you best be in to reloading as it does seem like factory ammo works the best in Open guns.

No expert here but research on my next purchase turned up some interesting things about the 9 mm Major as opposed to 38 Super Major. Most of the guys shooting the 9 mm Major in Open leave the brass on the ground according to what I read on the Enos forum. The brass is so stressed according to them that it cannot be reloaded successfully again. I have observed the 38 Super Shooters picking up their brass so they must be able to reload many times. Moneywise, I cannot justify a gun that ruins brass with one shot. One of the greatest savings is using brass that can be reloaded many times.

Wait till the presbyopia hits in your late 40's, you youngsters will then know what we geesers are talking about. Then you will want that dot like we do.

Bobby H

atomicbrh wrote:No expert here but research on my next purchase turned up some interesting things about the 9 mm Major as opposed to 38 Super Major. Most of the guys shooting the 9 mm Major in Open leave the brass on the ground according to what I read on the Enos forum. The brass is so stressed according to them that it cannot be reloaded successfully again. I have observed the 38 Super Shooters picking up their brass so they must be able to reload many times. Moneywise, I cannot justify a gun that ruins brass with one shot. One of the greatest savings is using brass that can be reloaded many times.

Wait till the presbyopia hits in your late 40's, you youngsters will then know what we geesers are talking about. Then you will want that dot like we do.

Bobby H

Well then, that makes the .40 sound like a better option, as you could reuse the brass.

For those of you (me included), that don't know what "presbyopia" is, here is the definition:

pres·by·o·pi·a/ˌprezbēˈōpēə/
Noun: Farsightedness caused by loss of elasticity of the lens of the eye, occurring typically in middle and old age.

JD

If you want an Open gun - I know a guy selling a 2011 with a CMORE with a 38 Super and 9mm barrel - under 2500 if I remember

Let me know if you are interested

and FYI 9mm brass is SO DAMN CHEAP - i'd leave it there also. Ive gotten to the point where I leave 40 brass on the ground - when I can buy 2000 for about $50 already tumbled - why pick it up....