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Limited vs Open
So I'm thinking of buying an open gun - my question is - which do you find more fun - OPEN or LIMITED?
I'm anxious to try it out but want some input before I spend the money!
I'm anxious to try it out but want some input before I spend the money!
Re: Limited vs Open
Dude you know there's one MAYBE two people on here who can compare open and limited.
Just get the gun already.
Just get the gun already.

Will_M- Distinguished Poster

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Re: Limited vs Open
Dude - thats a lot of money though - just curious those that have shot both which they prefer - ive NEVER shot an open gun - so have zero clue what I'm getting into...
Re: Limited vs Open
Talk to Bud, Tim, or Bryant at the next match. They have all shot/shoot Limited and Open. After that, go to the bank and get a loan, then buy your Open gun.
I looked at buying an Open gun, but I think I'll go with a SV Limited gun for now. I could always add a Trijicon RMR to the SV and make it an Open gun.
I looked at buying an Open gun, but I think I'll go with a SV Limited gun for now. I could always add a Trijicon RMR to the SV and make it an Open gun.

jdphotoguy- Distinguished Poster

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Re: Limited vs Open
I have a limited STI paid for - guess I'm looking for something else fun also....came across an open gun that is just amazing
Re: Limited vs Open
Then if you can afford it, buy it, can always sell/trade it later if you change your mind.bsdubois00 wrote:I have a limited STI paid for - guess I'm looking for something else fun also....came across an open gun that is just amazing
I've been looking at SV's Gun Builder and my head hurts, to many unfamiliar options and no prices until you submit the gun to the factory. The Gun Builder is a nice idea, but it sure needs some refinements.

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Re: Limited vs Open
Open can be a blast (literally and figuratively), but to answer your first question I don't think it will be a surprise to anyone that knows me to hear me say that I personally prefer Limited. I have had an Open gun for quite a while and seldom shoot it. Since you already have a Limited gun, here are a few of my personal thoughts on Open, for what its worth:
1. The dot is awesome...for the most part. It is very fast and to me the biggest advantage of Open. I have trouble finding it on occasion on the draw or when leaning out around a wall or in another awkward position, but generally I have no problems and I imagine the ones I have could be fixed with some practice and time behind the gun. I have considered a "sideways" mount for my C-more to lower it and make it easier to pick up since it would be closer to the height of the front sight of a Limited gun, but I just don't have that much desire to shoot Open right now. The only real downsides are the added complexity, although the C-mores in particular are quite durable, cost (a few hundred bucks for mount and dot over a Limited gun, and batteries from time to time), and bulk. I guess its more of a pain shooting in the rain and stuff, but I'm stretching here to find negatives. Rip across a target array with a dot and you won't be thinking of negatives. Then again, there is something about an electronic sight sitting up on top of a gun that doesn't look right to some people. I can hardly be called a traditionalist, but I do think an iron sighted handgun just looks better.
2. The comp... I have a love/hate feeling about comps. The recoil reduction is great, but the comp is just turning that recoil into noise and blast. I generally find myself blinking or flinching somewhere during a match or shooting session with the Open gun due to the noise/blast. Shooting without blinking is tough for me, and the addition of a comp doesn't help anything. Maybe with practice I could get beyond this, but the trouble is that sometimes it doesn't affect me for a while so I don't think it is a problem until it starts happening again. I considered doing away with the comp on my open gun which would definitely be unusual. It would be a disadvantage on some longer shots I think but might be worth it for me in the long run.
3. Capacity - 29-30 rounds (or more?) is a lot and more is better, right? Even the "little" sticks hold 22-24 or so. I don't know, though, I've always liked the balance of Limited. What I mean is, they have a lot of rounds, too, but there is a balance of having the resulting flexibility to shoot stages different ways around a reload, still needing to reload now and then, but yet not being ALL about the reload, i.e. revolver. Does that make any sense?
4. Caliber - 9mm major seems to be the most popular, but it limits you on load choice and really works the brass. At least the brass is cheap though. I think it is slightly more difficult to make the short rounds run reliably, but it can be done. The rimless supers (supercomp, 9X23, .38 TJ) all are expensive but generally pretty easy to make work.
All that being said, you should definitely shoot one and should have mentioned it yesterday. I am sure Bud and/or Tim would have let you put a couple rounds down range to see what you think. Open guns really vary from one to the other as far as how flat or soft they shoot, how they balance, etc, but if you can get an idea what they are like. I don't think many would argue that Open has every advantage for speed and performance and can push the envelope of what is possible.
1. The dot is awesome...for the most part. It is very fast and to me the biggest advantage of Open. I have trouble finding it on occasion on the draw or when leaning out around a wall or in another awkward position, but generally I have no problems and I imagine the ones I have could be fixed with some practice and time behind the gun. I have considered a "sideways" mount for my C-more to lower it and make it easier to pick up since it would be closer to the height of the front sight of a Limited gun, but I just don't have that much desire to shoot Open right now. The only real downsides are the added complexity, although the C-mores in particular are quite durable, cost (a few hundred bucks for mount and dot over a Limited gun, and batteries from time to time), and bulk. I guess its more of a pain shooting in the rain and stuff, but I'm stretching here to find negatives. Rip across a target array with a dot and you won't be thinking of negatives. Then again, there is something about an electronic sight sitting up on top of a gun that doesn't look right to some people. I can hardly be called a traditionalist, but I do think an iron sighted handgun just looks better.
2. The comp... I have a love/hate feeling about comps. The recoil reduction is great, but the comp is just turning that recoil into noise and blast. I generally find myself blinking or flinching somewhere during a match or shooting session with the Open gun due to the noise/blast. Shooting without blinking is tough for me, and the addition of a comp doesn't help anything. Maybe with practice I could get beyond this, but the trouble is that sometimes it doesn't affect me for a while so I don't think it is a problem until it starts happening again. I considered doing away with the comp on my open gun which would definitely be unusual. It would be a disadvantage on some longer shots I think but might be worth it for me in the long run.
3. Capacity - 29-30 rounds (or more?) is a lot and more is better, right? Even the "little" sticks hold 22-24 or so. I don't know, though, I've always liked the balance of Limited. What I mean is, they have a lot of rounds, too, but there is a balance of having the resulting flexibility to shoot stages different ways around a reload, still needing to reload now and then, but yet not being ALL about the reload, i.e. revolver. Does that make any sense?
4. Caliber - 9mm major seems to be the most popular, but it limits you on load choice and really works the brass. At least the brass is cheap though. I think it is slightly more difficult to make the short rounds run reliably, but it can be done. The rimless supers (supercomp, 9X23, .38 TJ) all are expensive but generally pretty easy to make work.
All that being said, you should definitely shoot one and should have mentioned it yesterday. I am sure Bud and/or Tim would have let you put a couple rounds down range to see what you think. Open guns really vary from one to the other as far as how flat or soft they shoot, how they balance, etc, but if you can get an idea what they are like. I don't think many would argue that Open has every advantage for speed and performance and can push the envelope of what is possible.

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Re: Limited vs Open
Come up to Glenn and shoot with us one weekend. I'll let you shoot my open gun. Just let me know so I can bring it with me.

ak47traxx- New Member

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Re: Limited vs Open
Too late. He sent me a picture of the Open gun he bought this afternoon.
I plan on coming up to Glenn as soon as I can though.
I plan on coming up to Glenn as soon as I can though.

Will_M- Distinguished Poster

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Re: Limited vs Open
Nice, welcome to the dark side
Will, come on up. Uspsa and Rifle this weekend
Will, come on up. Uspsa and Rifle this weekend

ak47traxx- New Member

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Re: Limited vs Open
Nice Open heater. Is it 9 or .38? I like the scope mount and would like to check it out sometime if you don't mind. As I mentioned above, I have been considering going to one of those. I also like that there are no "blow holes" in the barrel. You could always add them if you wanted to, but you may find that you like it how it is. Maybe not quite as flat but less noisy and less concussion, not to mention less powder to make major.

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Re: Limited vs Open
9major - I'm super stoked about shooting it - the guy even gave me some ammo to give it a test run....
Re: Limited vs Open
Pretty cool. I'm in the process of building a Glock open gun. Should have it completed by Dec. match or maybe January, just depends on how the funds for Christmas goes. I'm gonna shoot minor 9 to start with and if I see I can't shoot the A's consistantly, I may try the 9 major. All I will have to do is respring and load up!!!
Can't wait!!! Bud has been itchin for me to get one! Maybe we can get some more folks to join the dark side.
Can't wait!!! Bud has been itchin for me to get one! Maybe we can get some more folks to join the dark side.
msshooter- Veteran Poster

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Re: Limited vs Open
Brandon,
Did you buy that from Mat?
Chris
Did you buy that from Mat?
Chris

chbrow10- Veteran Poster

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Re: Limited vs Open
I'm still going to beat you, B-Doobie.
But your mags are shiny.
But your mags are shiny.

Will_M- Distinguished Poster

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Re: Limited vs Open
Always with the new toys.
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