Re: Lawyers prospective on 26

by savageshooter on Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:43 pm

as far as the abortion being the "law" of the land, congress (who is the only part of government that can make law" never made abortion law. and the fact it doesnt effect me and you, what if, just what if the Almighty ordained one of the 53 million we have murdered in the name of "choice" to find a cure for cancer, ms, and the many other illnesses we have today. the what ifs are endless.
the fact that planned parenthood plans to spend 12 million dollars in 3 months to defeat this bill should tell us something.

by msredneck on Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:52 pm

well I'll weigh in a bit on this one...

Ya'll know I aint a big fan of more laws....

That said I'm gonna vote yes on all the Initiatives.

I'm not gonna fall in line with the Liberals on this one....Damn Libs will fall over themselves to save something stupid like the snail darter but won't stand up for human life...that's F'ed up if u ask me...

Ya'll know what makes babies...I say Don't do the crime....if you can't do the time...simple as that...Don't be part of the It's all about me crowd...I aint gonna do it.

I will not be counted among em...I don't care if its not a perfectly written law of not.

I'll not have innocent blood on my hands...the unborn can not speak for themselves...

I'll stand up for em and I will stand before God one day with clean hands...at least on this issue

Vote Yes on 26

by RDRJR on Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:59 pm

mascott wrote:One thing I'm sure of,, if the ACLU is against it, I am for it.I think there is another liberal group that wants to knock it down.
scott

+1
Planned Parrenthood is spending $12 million in hopes of defeating I26, wish I could vote for it 12 million times.

by RDRJR on Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:02 pm

msredneck wrote:well I'll weigh in a bit on this one...

Ya'll know I aint a big fan of more laws....

That said I'm gonna vote yes on all the Initiatives.

I'm not gonna fall in line with the Liberals on this one....Damn Libs will fall over themselves to save something stupid like the snail darter but won't stand up for human life...that's F'ed up if u ask me...

Ya'll know what makes babies...I say Don't do the crime....if you can't do the time...simple as that...Don't be part of the It's all about me crowd...I aint gonna do it.
great post! Agree 100%

I will not be counted among em...I don't care if its not a perfectly written law of not.

I'll not have innocent blood on my hands...the unborn can not speak for themselves...

I'll stand up for em and I will stand before God one day with clean hands...at least on this issue

Vote Yes on 26

by USMCRIDER on Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:17 pm

I will be voting against Initiative 26. I don't like abortion but this Initiative is too vague for me. I really don't like the effects it could possibly have on In-vitro Fertilization. Me and my wife have come to the point in our infertility problems that In-vitro is our last hope. If Initiative 26 is passed, it could complicate the process for us. Possibly only being able to try one fertilized egg at a time, when the current technology with fertilizing more than one egg makes it more possible to be successful. At $12,000 dollars per procedure, we kinda need it to work on the first try. I would really hate to know that the government and voters could have an effect on the process of me and my wife having a baby.

by ree_countrygirl on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:32 am

USMCRIDER wrote:I will be voting against Initiative 26. I don't like abortion but this Initiative is too vague for me. I really don't like the effects it could possibly have on In-vitro Fertilization. Me and my wife have come to the point in our infertility problems that In-vitro is our last hope. If Initiative 26 is passed, it could complicate the process for us. Possibly only being able to try one fertilized egg at a time, when the current technology with fertilizing more than one egg makes it more possible to be successful. At $12,000 dollars per procedure, we kinda need it to work on the first try. I would really hate to know that the government and voters could have an effect on the process of me and my wife having a baby.

i couldnt agree more!

by Caleb C on Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:04 am

Well, today is the day. I guess we'll find out where the folks of Mississippi stand on this once and for all. Either way, there will be consequences of this election. I think this could be one of the single most important issues that we'll ever be given the opportunity to vote on.

Personally, I can't stand with Planned Parenthood or the ACLU. Their past behaviors are nothing short of despicable. If you're ever unsure on how to vote, just take the exact opposite stance taken by Planned Parenthood, ACLU, and NAACP. You'll be right 99.9999% of the time.

Here's some food for though: If we as a state vote against prop 26, will we be deserving of God's protection and blessing? We will basically be saying "The POTENTIAL unintended consequences are too great and we don't believe that God is capable of guiding us through the murky legal waters that could come. No thanks, God. We'll handle this one on our own." Personally, I don't want to be a part of that.

by Q-Tip on Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:12 am

USMCRIDER, and others, please read the following link. It contains en excellent legal analysis of I-26 and clearly shows how IVF procedures like you're looking for will not be affected.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mspolicy.com%2Fdownloads%2FInitiative26Analysis.pdf

by Tree of Liberty on Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:19 pm

UPDATE:

FOXNEWS TODAY HALEY BARBOUR WITH SHEP SMITH

HALEY OPPOSES THIS LEGISLATION

HE ADVISES TO BE INFORMED AND RE-READ THE LEGISLATION. Haley is Pro-life but against Initiative 26!

WATCHED THIS 2 MINUTES AGO!

by Caleb C on Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:20 pm

Odd. If he's opposed to 26 then why did he vote for it?

by DBChaffin on Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:27 pm

Tree of Liberty wrote:UPDATE:

FOXNEWS TODAY HALEY BARBOUR WITH SHEP SMITH

HALEY OPPOSES THIS LEGISLATION

HE ADVISES TO BE INFORMED AND RE-READ THE LEGISLATION. Haley is Pro-life but against Initiative 26!

WATCHED THIS 2 MINUTES AGO!

Yeah, typical politician speak I guess, because his website and other sources say he has concerns but voted for it:

http://www.governorbarbour.com/news/2011/nov/11.4barbourrobocallspersonhood.html

http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=13895

http://www.wlox.com/story/15963327/barbour-robocalls-on-initiative-misleading

by Tree of Liberty on Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:32 pm

http://www.policymic.com/articles/2274/initiative-26-in-mississippi-endangers-women

check this article out. he voted against it today....constitutional issues with the legislation. also see shep smiths daily report on FoxNews...Haley was his guest.

by Tree of Liberty on Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:34 pm

this article mentions his concerns...today he voiced his vote on shep

by Caleb C on Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:39 pm

So......which is it? I see several news outlets reporting that he voted for it and Barbour saying in his own words that he voted for it. Now we hear that he's opposing it. Which is it? We can't have it both ways.

Why would he vote for something that he opposes?

by DBChaffin on Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:59 pm

Caleb C wrote:So......which is it? I see several news outlets reporting that he voted for it and Barbour saying in his own words that he voted for it. Now we hear that he's opposing it. Which is it? We can't have it both ways.
Why would he vote for something that he opposes?

Ha. Maybe he is trying to make further support for voter ID... If he is saying he voted against it now, that is completely opposite to what he has previously said and something isn't right.

The first link I posted above, from his own website dated 11/4:
"As I've previously stated, I voted for the Personhood Amendment."

From the second link I posted above:
"Earlier in the week, Gov. Haley Barbour, a Republican, told Fox News and MSNBC that he was not certain if he would vote for the measure, which asks whether the term "person" should be defined to include "every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the equivalent thereof."
However, Friday Barbour said he had voted for the initiative via absentee ballot."

by arnygollott3 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:00 pm

Barbour voted for it, and has concerns about it, and I think that is a reasonable position to take as a result of the language. How often do we get language that is perfect for all people?

I think the majority of those who voted for it would say they feel the same way. It is unfortuntate it was worded so ambigously, I have no doubt that even more support could have been mustered with some better clarity.

by kowen1971 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:06 pm

I persoanally don't care how Haley voted to the extent media hype causeing more confusion. I do, of course, care how he and everyone else votes in terms of defending this basic right we all have to life. There will never be a law so well written as to avoid challenge in the courts. One can simply look at every exsisting law to confirm this. But to say we have laws that protect criminals and not the innocent lives of these helpless little ones is, to me, a gross injustice. JMHO.... My vote was yes on 26....

by DBChaffin on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:17 pm

arnygollott3 wrote:Barbour voted for it, and has concerns about it, and I think that is a reasonable position to take as a result of the language. How often do we get language that is perfect for all people?

I think the majority of those who voted for it would say they feel the same way. It is unfortuntate it was worded so ambigously, I have no doubt that even more support could have been mustered with some better clarity.

I agree that is a reasonable position to take and I also agree that the wording is unfortunate. I also don't really care how he voted, but if he is saying he voted for it here and that he voted against it there, etc, well, that is poor form to me.

by USMCRIDER on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:31 pm

Q-Tip wrote:USMCRIDER, and others, please read the following link. It contains en excellent legal analysis of I-26 and clearly shows how IVF procedures like you're looking for will not be affected.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mspolicy.com%2Fdownloads%2FInitiative26Analysis.pdf

Sorry Q-Tip but I don't have too much faith in this legal analysis. Anything can change with a few legal procedures in a court room. My wife's family is facing this right now. Even though her grandmother had a Legal Will made, one simple courtroom decision overturned it and now all of her grandmothers personal belongings are being sold to strangers. I don't have a lot of faith in the legal system. They can twist things so far around that it comes back later and bites you really hard on the rear side.

Also to add to that, The National Infertility Association has stated that they are against it also. If they felt there would be no reprocussions, I would have no fear in supporting this. They have no interest in abortion and I would go as far as to say since they have a big hand in creating life, they would also be Pro-Life.