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Post by PapaDawg on Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:52 pm

Hey All - I'm in the market for electronic 'muffs. My hearing is bad (got HA last year) so regular muffs create a real problem when I'm at the range - can't wear HA's on the firing line. If someone talks to me I've gotta remove the muffs and that's not good with someone blasting away at the next bench. I've read alot of ads and internet hype, but personal experience and advice is always best. Please toss some thoughts my way, including brands, etc and I would like to stay under $150. And, the higher the NRR, the better.

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by jbpmidas on Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:08 pm

SGMJody wears Caldwells. He has hearing issues as well. Maybe he will chime in or you could PM him.

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by NotUndeadYet on Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:12 pm

I use the basic Caldwell electronic muffs, I think they were $35 or so at Bass Pro. I don't have the specs handy, but they attenuate pretty quickly and pretty well. They lack some of the bells and whistles like bi-directional microphones and iphone jack. I also use Peltor earplugs, one end is attenuating, the other end is solid like regular earplugs. These were around $12.

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by bigsig on Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:40 pm

I use Howard Leight muffs. Academy has them for around $60. Best money I've spent in a long time. These muffs also have a input jack for mp3/radio hook up.

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by RKpianoman on Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:42 am

Myers uses Howard Leight as well, and I've been considering picking up a pair. Not to steal your thread, PapaDawg, but do the new electronic earmuffs have a "crack" or very brief period of loud sound while the microphone/processor computes the sounds as being too loud to pass through the electronic system?

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by PhillipM on Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:23 am

My $20 caldwells crack sometimes but I don't think it's at a damaging level.

I've been wondering if more expensive muffs do a better job or just have more features, ie radio and jack.

During strings of fire at the matches I have to turn mine down all the way or off. The cracks, booms, and echos are distracting.

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by RStewart on Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:45 am

bigsig wrote:I use Howard Leight muffs. Academy has them for around $60. Best money I've spent in a long time. These muffs also have a input jack for mp3/radio hook up.


+1. Been using mine for almost 3 years now.

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by jim36 on Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:04 am

PapaDawg
I am at 60% hearing loss. I have a set of behind the ear HA's and a set of in the ear HA's. I have found that during shooting and hunting, I use the in the ear aids with a pair of Caldwell muffs/w amplifier and shut off. I leave the hearing aids on at top volume and put the muffs over them. They work great for me.Well not great but very useable. No, I can no longer hear a deer walking or a squirrel cutting. I can hear gun shots, dogs barking, crows calling, etc, but can not pinpoint the direction. While at the range I can actually carry on a conversation with this set up.
If you use a set of in the ear HA's, I suggest you try this method. The cheap Caldwells work for me. Hope this helps.
Years ago, I was fortunate to shoot on the rifle team while in Korea. We had no concept of ear plugs or ear protection. I'm paying for it now.
Good luck and good shooting
Jim <")))><

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by msredneck on Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:10 am

Howard Leight Impact Sport will be my next pair NRR 22

I see a lot of em at F class matches

Sinclair item #28-01526 $59.99

You can always use plugs and muffs together


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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by 9c4me on Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:30 am

Recently got a pair Howard Leight Impact- 51.85 shipped on Amazon. Technically they work great, my only complaint is getting a good fit around bottom of my ears, wish they had more padding or were designed a little differently.

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looks like they're only 44.26 now, good deal-
http://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Electronic-Earmuff/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1319808652&sr=8-1

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by PhillipM on Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:43 am

I want a set of Peltor behind the neck earmuffs. I hate having them over my headgear.

http://www.amazon.com/Peltor-97043-Tactical-Hearing-Protector/dp/B0000X6I5I

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by PapaDawg on Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:38 am

Thanks for the replies everyone - personal experience is the best and I appreciate all of the input. My current 'muffs are 31 NRR and I'm spoiled, but I can't hear squat with them on which is why I'm in the market for electronic 'muffs.

JP - hope Jody does reply as it's a good thing to hear what folks w/ similar issues have to say - like Jim36.

NotUndeadYet - does Bass carry those plugs that you mentioned? Might we worth a try.

RK - roaming the 'net and reading reviews I've found the reaction times vary from 5.5 ms to 1/2 second. In my case, the quicker they shut down the noise, the better.

Jim36 - I have in the ear HA's and have tried wearing them w/ 'muffs, but they become quite uncomfortable quickly - could be a function of the tight fit of the 'muffs.

'Neck - I've tried plugs and 'muffs and it's just one more thing I have to pull out of my ear hole to hear someone tell me, "You missed!" Smile

Thanks again all - you're narrowing the field down for me

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by SGMJody on Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:22 am

PapaDawg - The Caldwell's that I use are a set that jbp brought as a gift for me. They work great. I don't know that much about what decible level they are rated at but they are the best ear muffs that I have in my arsenal of hearing protection. jbp did very good when he gave those to me. I am what you would call legally deaf. I can still hear some sounds but have very little speech comprehension (less than 20%) so I have to be looking at you to understand what is being said and at that point I am lip reading and listening to sound to understand what is being said. With the Caldwell's that I use, I don't have to remove them to have a conversation.

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by DBChaffin on Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:26 am

PapaDawg wrote:Thanks for the replies everyone - personal experience is the best and I appreciate all of the input. My current 'muffs are 31 NRR and I'm spoiled, but I can't hear squat with them on which is why I'm in the market for electronic 'muffs.

JP - hope Jody does reply as it's a good thing to hear what folks w/ similar issues have to say - like Jim36.

NotUndeadYet - does Bass carry those plugs that you mentioned? Might we worth a try.

RK - roaming the 'net and reading reviews I've found the reaction times vary from 5.5 ms to 1/2 second. In my case, the quicker they shut down the noise, the better.

Jim36 - I have in the ear HA's and have tried wearing them w/ 'muffs, but they become quite uncomfortable quickly - could be a function of the tight fit of the 'muffs.

'Neck - I've tried plugs and 'muffs and it's just one more thing I have to pull out of my ear hole to hear someone tell me, "You missed!" Smile

Thanks again all - you're narrowing the field down for me

As with most things, at least to some extent you do get what you pay for in my opinion.

Pro Ears ( http://www.proears.com/ ) are at least near the top, if not at the top of the market. They are very expensive, but they are good quality, last a long time, and work very well. They make up to a 33 db NRR model if that matters to you, and their attack time is less than 1.5 milliseconds, well faster than the times mentioned above.

Note that there are different types of electronic muffs. Many of the cheaper ones "clip" or cut the amplification off when a gun shot or other loud sound is present. Personally, this is really annoying to me, especially if there is a lot of shooting going on. Pro Ears "compress" the loud sounds so that a conversation can literally be carried on while a gun is being fired a short distance away. I personally much prefer this technology. While Pro Ears I believe were the first, others have similar technology now.

Unless the Howard Leights and Caldwells have changed recently, they are older technology and clip, and while the amplification is cut off in some period of time measured in milliseconds (I don't have the specs), the time it takes for the amplification to be cut back on (or be "released") is slow, generally 1/4 to 1 second or so. Many people use them and like them, although I wonder how many have tried better electronic muffs. Anyway, just wanted you to be aware that there are differences and other choices. Try some if you can before purchasing.

My $.02.





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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by JohnHeiter on Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:28 am

If you go to the range with other people around or if you're training anyone to shoot, I HIGHLY recommend the electronics and, in your price range, the Howard Leight's are probably a pretty good choice. Whenever I'm coaching a new shooter I let them use my electronic muffs so they can hear instructions and tips loud and clear no matter what is going on.

While a little over your price range, I wound up going with a pair of Pro Ears about eight years ago and have been very pleased. They don't cut out loud sounds like the lower priced models, they attenuate it to an acceptable level. They also amplify lower DB sounds so you hear more with them on than you would with them off which is a big plus for people needing a little boost. Their slow models do the attenuation bit in 5.5milliseconds and the high end models cut that to 1.5ms so you don't hear/notice any sort of peaks and can carry on a normal conversation standing only a few feet away from someone actively firing. Most/all of the Pro Ears models also feature replaceable ear foam cups which is important. With any muffs, after a few years of wearing them, the leather/plastic cups that actually seal to the side of your head start to harden/crack and won't seal as well which takes your NRR down dramatically. My only knock on my pair is that I bought the full sized cups for the big 33 NRR but I kind of wish I'd gotten one of the dished models that work better with stocks on long guns.

The gun I'm shooting will change frequently, but eyes and ears (shooting glasses and ear muffs) are with me on every trip to the range so I "invested" in a quality pair of both and have been very happy I did. I don't think you can go wrong with Pro Ears, MSA Sordin, etc.

Optics Planet has the Pro300's (26 NRR, 15 DB amplification, 300 hrs battery life, leather cups, etc.) on sale now for $189 with free shipping.
http://www.opticsplanet.net/pro-ears-predator-plus-shooting-hearing-protection-headsets-p300p-black.html


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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by Myers on Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:59 am

I've been pleased with my impact pro's or whatever they are. The batteries finally died on them, so now they are only passive ear pro Razz. I haven't noticed any of the aforementioned "clipping" with mine, I can still carry on conversations on the line. The only time they really weren't enough protection was one time shooting through some barrels. Good value for what they are, but truth be told the heart yearns for a pair of MSA Sordins, but the wallet says no.

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by msredneck on Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:33 pm

Hey Papa

Don't miss !... lol

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by NotUndeadYet on Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:31 pm

The caldwells do kill the noise like everyone mentioned, but I haven't noticed this to be a big deal, probably because they're the only pair of electronic ones I've ever had on. Mine are in GA for a couple of weeks, and I sure missed them today at the range.

I don't know if Bass Pro has the plugs, one pair I got from Cabela's, the other from Midway. If you want, I literally drive by Cabela's at least once a week, I can either pick you up a pair and mail them, or add a pair to my next Midway order. If I recall, Cabela's had them for about $13, and Midway has them for about $9 with the C&R dealer discount.

I actually can't find them on Bass Pro or Cabela's websites, but I've noticed the search function on both sorta sucks Here's Midway's link: http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/453211/peltor-indoor-outdoor-range-e-a-r-ear-plugs-nrr-22-db-1-pair

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by PapaDawg on Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:58 pm

NUY - Thanks for the offer, but since I have my 03, and a Midway account, I'll go ahead and order a set. appreciate the link - very helpful -

John H - "The gun I'm shooting will change frequently, but eyes and ears (shooting glasses and ear muffs) are with me on every trip to the range so I "invested" in a quality pair of both...." That is a wonderful piece of advice.

DB - In your mind, it may just be "your 2 cents" but that's a goldmine of info -

Thanks again everyone - have decided to stretch the budget a bit -

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Re: Electronic Hearing Protection

Post by PhillipM on Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:48 pm

DBChaffin wrote:
PapaDawg wrote:Thanks for the replies everyone - personal experience is the best and I appreciate all of the input. My current 'muffs are 31 NRR and I'm spoiled, but I can't hear squat with them on which is why I'm in the market for electronic 'muffs.

JP - hope Jody does reply as it's a good thing to hear what folks w/ similar issues have to say - like Jim36.

NotUndeadYet - does Bass carry those plugs that you mentioned? Might we worth a try.

RK - roaming the 'net and reading reviews I've found the reaction times vary from 5.5 ms to 1/2 second. In my case, the quicker they shut down the noise, the better.

Jim36 - I have in the ear HA's and have tried wearing them w/ 'muffs, but they become quite uncomfortable quickly - could be a function of the tight fit of the 'muffs.

'Neck - I've tried plugs and 'muffs and it's just one more thing I have to pull out of my ear hole to hear someone tell me, "You missed!" Smile

Thanks again all - you're narrowing the field down for me

As with most things, at least to some extent you do get what you pay for in my opinion.

Pro Ears ( http://www.proears.com/ ) are at least near the top, if not at the top of the market. They are very expensive, but they are good quality, last a long time, and work very well. They make up to a 33 db NRR model if that matters to you, and their attack time is less than 1.5 milliseconds, well faster than the times mentioned above.

Note that there are different types of electronic muffs. Many of the cheaper ones "clip" or cut the amplification off when a gun shot or other loud sound is present. Personally, this is really annoying to me, especially if there is a lot of shooting going on. Pro Ears "compress" the loud sounds so that a conversation can literally be carried on while a gun is being fired a short distance away. I personally much prefer this technology. While Pro Ears I believe were the first, others have similar technology now.

Unless the Howard Leights and Caldwells have changed recently, they are older technology and clip, and while the amplification is cut off in some period of time measured in milliseconds (I don't have the specs), the time it takes for the amplification to be cut back on (or be "released") is slow, generally 1/4 to 1 second or so. Many people use them and like them, although I wonder how many have tried better electronic muffs. Anyway, just wanted you to be aware that there are differences and other choices. Try some if you can before purchasing.

My $.02.





Thanks for that. My $20 caldwells do indeed clip the noise. The best way to describe it is it's like the radios on the old cop shows on TV when they would receive a transmission there would be static noise for an instant then the conversation.

Better electronic muffs are something I need to save for.

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