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Post by long range on Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:50 pm

I'm wanting to get a 35 whelen but don't know which one to go with.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by msredneck on Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:00 pm

Thompson Encore Prohunter...others are POS compared to this

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by long range on Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:02 pm

But cost 4 times as much

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by msredneck on Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:10 pm

Not really...I've never regretted buying quality

Buy the receiver....then put a Bergara Barrel on it

less $ than a Thompson barrel....shoots better

http://www.bergarabarrels.com/

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by grnyammer on Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:01 pm

Just got a cva elite stalker in .35. havent had time to shoot it yet. from what ive read on other forums its a good gun. will update when i shoot it.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by surehuntsalot on Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:04 pm

msredneck wrote:Thompson Encore Prohunter...others are POS compared to this



thompson center encore is the way over priced POS

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by msredneck on Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:22 am

To each his own.

If you happen to buy a used H&R...make dang sure it head spaces correctly. They had troubles when they first came out in 35 Whe...

After shooting my Prohunter...I'd never have another H&R

Good Luck cheapo's Razz

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by Rambo on Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:49 am

surehuntsalot wrote:
msredneck wrote:Thompson Encore Prohunter...others are POS compared to this



thompson center encore is the way over priced POS
I've worked on the T/C's,CVA's and the H&R (New England)'s and I have to say give me the T/C as it's the most accurate and better built than the other's. The thing's that's wrong with them is the barrel on the CVA is oversized or egg shaped as with the H&R-New England Firearms the barrel's are the same way also with a bad trigger pull, the T/C's so far have the best barrel's going and with some trigger work (down to 2-2 1/2 lbs),they are the best buy for a hunting rifle right now, that my experience with all that has been mentioned on this thread. Rambo

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by grasshopper on Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:15 am

Why would you want a 35 Whelen when 358 Winchester will give you the same velocities without the mis-fires? If you do go the TC route check with Mike Bellm for a begara barrel. He preps them for begara.

The guy knows his stuff with TC's and barrels. www.bellmtcs.com

Another good barrel maker is MGM www.matchgrademachine.com
He is a little pricey but his barrels are some of the best I've shot.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by grnyammer on Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:29 pm

Stalker is going back to where I bought it. Cant make it shoot 3 shots close to each other. Ammo - Hornady, scope - Nikon 3-9x40 BDC.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by cwink on Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:10 pm

grasshopper wrote:Why would you want a 35 Whelen when 358 Winchester will give you the same velocities without the mis-fires? If you do go the TC route check with Mike Bellm for a begara barrel. He preps them for begara.

The guy knows his stuff with TC's and barrels. www.bellmtcs.com

Another good barrel maker is MGM www.matchgrademachine.com
He is a little pricey but his barrels are some of the best I've shot.

Im with GH on this one.. Go with the 358 Win

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by JohnHeiter on Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:58 pm

I know it's not popular here but I went the H&R Route for my .35 Whelen. I admit the Handi-Rifle's are cheaply made compared to some others, but I just couldn't see myself sinking a lot of money into something that is really only popular in MS and here only because of the whim of our current legislature. I just knew that with my luck as soon as I dropped a bunch of coin on a .35 single shot the jokers in house would decided that primitive now includes any guns designed before Jan 1993 when Clinton first took office and I'd have wasted money again.

I know some have had bad experiences (Edit to add I don't actually know anyone who has had a problem... I've heard people talking about people with problems) with them but I have actually been pleasantly surprised with my particular Handi. I put a nice Leupold on it and last year I never even took my 700 bolt gun out of the closet.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by jsthntn247 on Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:50 am

grnyammer wrote:Stalker is going back to where I bought it. Cant make it shoot 3 shots close to each other. Ammo - Hornady, scope - Nikon 3-9x40 BDC.

Where did you get the stalker? Did you try the hornady 200? Buddy of mine just bought one from Academy and said it shoots the 200 Hornady's good.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by Joe S. on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:07 am

msredneck wrote:Thompson Encore Prohunter...others are POS compared to this

funny... ive heard just as many stories about T/C's with issues as i have H&Rs. from actual owners, not what i have read on the internet... maybe you are blinded by the hype? Razz

really tho, i have never had any issue with any H&R i have owned. i have many friends and talk to a lot of people who havent with H&R or CVA either. the ones i have that did have a problem with them got bit by the T/C bug and dont want no "cheap" gun, and their dislike of the H&R seems to be from that than actual problems they had with one personally...

what kind of issues did you have with your 444 Handi neck?

now dont mistake me, i dont dislike the T/C. they feel GREAT in my hand. i just dont understand why they get so much for it. from what i have seen, and shot, they dont shoot any better than the H&Rs i have shot/ owned. id gladly give $500 or so for one, i just cant justify the $800-$1000 i see them go for.

my 35rem handi rifle shot 1" groups at (i think) 100 last time i shot it with 200 gr remington core lokts and 3-9x40 prostaff. my buddy's T/C 35 whelen with bergara barrel that has been accurised is getting that kind of results as well. personally, i dont think i could get any better than that if i had a $2500 bolt action...

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by Joe S. on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:17 am

grasshopper wrote:Why would you want a 35 Whelen when 358 Winchester will give you the same velocities without the mis-fires?

where is the difference here? why would the 358 not have misfires when the 35w does? im not doubting you. just want to know myself...

i like the 358 win myself! but i like most anything 35 cal and up. Smile

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by JohnHeiter on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:31 am

So I think I jinxed myself or at least spoke too soon. I went to the range yesterday to check my .35 H&R. I had four round left in one box of Hornady 200gr. so I shot a decent three shot group about 3" high and 2" right at 100 yards. I adjusted the scope and the 4th round hit just about a half inch left of the bullseye. I know there are some variations that can come in box to box on ammo so I wanted to fire a couple rounds from the next box just to be safe. Next two rounds were both at least 18" low at 100 yards. WTH???

Anyway, I had picked up four boxes from the same lot of Remington from Cheaper Than Dirt last year so I'm going to try it with some of them today. I don't think the gun is bad, but there's apparently a LOT of variation in Hornady's .35 Whelen ammo.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by cwink on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:17 am

Joe S. wrote:
grasshopper wrote:Why would you want a 35 Whelen when 358 Winchester will give you the same velocities without the mis-fires?

where is the difference here? why would the 358 not have misfires when the 35w does? im not doubting you. just want to know myself...

i like the 358 win myself! but i like most anything 35 cal and up. Smile

The problem with the 35 Whelen is that it has very shallow shoulders so if the headspace isn't exact the firing pins tends to push the case forward into the barrel and does not allow the hammer to hit the primer hard enought. The 358 Win has a much sharper shoulder.

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Post by cwink on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:17 am

JohnHeiter wrote:So I think I jinxed myself or at least spoke too soon. I went to the range yesterday to check my .35 H&R. I had four round left in one box of Hornady 200gr. so I shot a decent three shot group about 3" high and 2" right at 100 yards. I adjusted the scope and the 4th round hit just about a half inch left of the bullseye. I know there are some variations that can come in box to box on ammo so I wanted to fire a couple rounds from the next box just to be safe. Next two rounds were both at least 18" low at 100 yards. WTH???

Anyway, I had picked up four boxes from the same lot of Remington from Cheaper Than Dirt last year so I'm going to try it with some of them today. I don't think the gun is bad, but there's apparently a LOT of variation in Hornady's .35 Whelen ammo.

Check your rings and bases and make sure they are tight..

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by Joe S. on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:20 am

Thanks! I see that!

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by msredneck on Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:11 pm

I have H&R 444 Marlin and 270 Win and TC with a 35 Whe and 7mm-08

Its like the difference between a Ford Taurus and a Mercedes...

Both will get you to the store....I guess

When that Big 35 goes bang I prefer my face be behind the TC's lock up

.....If its the best you can do...so be it

Told ya the CVA was a POS....

Neck - The TC snob laughatyou

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by grnyammer on Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:40 pm

Got the Stalker back yesterday. Shot it today and with out changing anything out, it shoots 1" to 1.5" groups out to 100yrds.Used a diffrent lot of bullets and a lead sled to sight in with. Shooting the Hornady 200gr. bullet. Guess I got a bad lot of bullets? Might try some Remington shells and see what they do. Not too impressed with Hornadys bullets. Just me or anyone notice how dirty the Hornadys leave the barrel?

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by JohnHeiter on Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:12 pm

JohnHeiter wrote:
Anyway, I had picked up four boxes from the same lot of Remington from Cheaper Than Dirt last year so I'm going to try it with some of them today. I don't think the gun is bad, but there's apparently a LOT of variation in Hornady's .35 Whelen ammo.

So it took me longer to make it to the range than I thought it would but I finally got back out there today. The good news is I have fixed my Handi inconsistency issues by switching from Hornady to Remington ammo. I started out with a fresh box of Remington 200gr and shot a nice three shot group. I adjusted the scope as needed and shot another three shot group that was right where I wanted it to be. They aren't impressive groups but 3 shots in 2" at 100 yards is good enough for me and meets my expectations from an el cheapo rifle.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by grnyammer on Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:45 pm

The Stalker got Stalked today by:

Hope this one does alot better than the last one . T/C Pro Hunter 35 Whelen Nikon Buckmasters 3-9X40.


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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by Xd357 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:33 pm

grnyammer wrote:The Stalker got Stalked today by:

Hope this one does alot better than the last one . T/C Pro Hunter 35 Whelen Nikon Buckmasters 3-9X40.


You and me both. I had the CVA Apex in .35 started misfiring. So back it went and added $150 and got the TC pro hunter.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by msredneck on Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:49 pm

Prohunter in 35

welcome to the "dark side"

I knew you'd come around Razz

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by Joe S. on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:33 pm

good luck to ya! thats a beautiful rifle...

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Post by grnyammer on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:34 pm

um,er ugh.... thanks msneck???? lol
thanks joe, hope to shoot it one day this week before the weekend cometh.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by jsthntn247 on Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:51 am

grnyammer, I had a gun that looked just like that. Got a baby on the way so I sold it(along with a bunch of other sutff) and got the CVA Stalker from Academy. Before I ever shot it, I dremmeled the stock where it was touching the for arm and put lock tight on the screws. After working up a load for it, it shoots good enough for me. I hit a 8"(pie plate sized) gong four shots in a row at 465 yards. However, I do miss the Encore, this gun kicks allot harder.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by Joe S. on Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:03 am

Nice

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Post by Xd357 on Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:59 pm

How fast is that load?

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by grnyammer on Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:37 pm

The Stalker had 1- either hornady loads were bad or something else, 2- the two screws on the right side came loose, 3 - the post that dovetails to the barell that holds the forearm came loose, 4 - shot it two times after locktite on screws and tightning post, the post came loose again. Enough was enough.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by grnyammer on Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:50 pm

Very nice group jsthntn247. wish i could just see 465 yds. looks like you have a WINNER!! Yeah that cva has a hard kick to it. Like a mule.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by Tub Horn on Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:59 pm

I just bought me a new Cva Elite Stalker 35 Whelen and it is a shooter. The only thing is the recoil is a little stiff, and like the others said below the Cva is half the price than the TC. I love mine

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by grnyammer on Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:20 pm

Started breaking in barrel today. Only had time for four shots. With the comfort tech stock and limbsaver recoil pad it shoots way softer than the CVA did. Trigger is light, almost too light , but I like it so far. Far less trigger pull than Stalker had. Will try to finish breaking in and sighting in tomorrow.

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Re: CVA vs H&R in 35 whelen

Post by Tub Horn on Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:28 pm

long range wrote:I'm wanting to get a 35 whelen but don't know which one to go with.
I would go with the Cva over the H&R. I have a 45 70 in H&R buffalo Classic and it shoots really well, but the last two handi rifles I bought just did not group that well. I have a Cva Stalker in 35 Whelen and it shoots really tight.

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