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Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by Tree of Liberty on Fri 28 Oct 2011 - 1:07

I have looked fairly extensively for any laws in Mississippi pertaining to the use and or possession of tracer and incendiary ammunition and have found NOTHING.

Has anyone else found anything concerning tracer and incendiary ammunition within the Mississippi law?

I am fully aware of the "danger" this sort of ammo has, especially in dry, wooded environments. I am also aware of how terribly bad it would look to have a pistol loaded with such ammo while concealed.

--> I would never, ever ever use either type under such conditions.

It just seems like it may be fun to fire off one or two rounds of this stuff in a safe, rather wet location on private property.


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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by SubGunFan on Fri 28 Oct 2011 - 6:50

As I understand it...... Both are legal.

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by BigDaddyQ on Fri 28 Oct 2011 - 7:21

totally legal and fun to shoot especially at night. Try shooting a .223 tracer into the water it will not go into the water doesn't matter the angle I had it at a steeper angle than 45 degrees and it still richocet off the water and tumbled across the lake you could see it and hear it. It was pretty cool.

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by captain-03 on Fri 28 Oct 2011 - 8:34

SubGunFan wrote:As I understand it...... Both are legal.

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Agree -- AP is another story; AP for handguns is a NO-NO to be imported into the State of MS.

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by Scharfschütze on Fri 28 Oct 2011 - 8:59

AP is illegal for handguns period. I posted elsewhere about EG 9mm x 18mm ("Makarov") being imported by a company back about 10 yrs ago; BATFE 'discovered' that EG 9x18 has a mushroom-shaped steel core designed to penetrate body armor. BATFE confiscated all that the company had not yet sold. I have an article on this ammunition from Deutsches Waffenjournal (in German) if anyone would like a copy send me a PM.

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by Tree of Liberty on Fri 28 Oct 2011 - 17:34

thanks guys! i was under the same impression but could not find any laws to verify anything.

i really want to shoot off a few tracer rounds.

i see a price difference in the green tracer and the red tracer...is one better than the other or is the only thing that is different the color?

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by captain-03 on Fri 28 Oct 2011 - 18:58

I like the Green -- that is what the Soviet Bloc used .... they look "cooler"!!

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by Scharfschütze on Sat 29 Oct 2011 - 7:48

Just a side note - most clubs / ranges prohibit their use in competitions. SW gun club is one. I have also been to ranges that prohibit tracer due to fire hazard in the "safety fan" behind the impact area.

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by Tree of Liberty on Sun 12 Feb 2012 - 17:10

what is the difference between armor piercing ammo and penetrator ammo?

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by highplainsdrifter on Sun 12 Feb 2012 - 19:11

Armor piercing is anything that will penetrate body armor. Penetrator ammo is steel core bullets. It still has a copper jacket, but the interior is steel or steel and lead. It is intended to hold shape better to enable it to go through more sturdy barriers like concrete.

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by Tree of Liberty on Sun 12 Feb 2012 - 19:14

that's the only difference between the 2 types?

so penetrator ammo is legal in MS

and armor piercing is illegal


so....the only reason penetrator ammo is not allowed to be shot at Surplus City is because it will go through the backdrop???

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by Beladran on Mon 13 Feb 2012 - 6:06

if AP is illegal im screwed lol dad has tons of black tip 30cal

i am under the same understanding as the rest that only handgun AP rounds were illegal. And once you bought rifle AP bullets in MS you could not resell them

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by Tree of Liberty on Mon 13 Feb 2012 - 14:06

I didn't see that anywhere in the statute.....

do you know where I could see that in legislation?

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by PhillipM on Thu 23 Feb 2012 - 23:22

Tree of Liberty wrote:I didn't see that anywhere in the statute.....

do you know where I could see that in legislation?


I think I should jump back to the 3006 hater threat and point out 3006 ap is legal, where 7.62 nato is not. evil grin

ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION
under Title 18, UNITED STATES CODE, CHAPTER 44 as
amended by Public Law 103-322
The Violent Crime and Law Enforcement
Act of 1994
(enacted September 13, 1994)
18 U.S.C. CHAPTER 44

§ 921(a)(17)(B) the term 'armor piercing
ammunition' means --

(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a
handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the
presence of traces of other substances) from one or a
combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze,
beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a
handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of
the projectile.

(C) The term 'armor piercing ammunition' does not include shotgun shot required by
Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible
projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the Secretary finds is primarily
intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which
the Secretary finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge
used in an oil and gas well perforating device.


§ 922(a) It shall be unlawful --

(7) for any person to manufacture or import armor piercing
ammunition, except that this paragraph shall not apply to --

(A) the manufacture or importation of such
ammunition for the use of the United States or any
department or agency thereof or any State or any
department, agency, or political subdivision thereof;

(B) the manufacture of such ammunition for the
purpose of exportation; and

(C) any manufacture or importation for the purpose of
testing or experimentation authorized by the
Secretary; and

(Cool for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor piercing
ammunition, except that this paragraph shall not apply to --

(A) the sale or delivery by a manufacturer or importer
of such ammunition for the use of the United States
or any department or agency thereof or any State or
any department agency, or political subdivision
thereof;

(B) the sale or delivery by a manufacturer or importer
of such ammunition for the purpose of exportation;

(C) the sale or delivery by a manufacturer or importer
of such ammunition for the purposes of testing or
experimenting authorized by the Secretary.

(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer,
or licensed collector to sell or deliver--

(5) any firearm or armor-piercing ammunition to any person unless
the licensee notes in his records, required to be kept pursuant to
section 923 of this chapter, the name, age, and place of residence of
such person if the person is an individual, or the identity and principal
and local places of business of such person if the person is a
corporation or other business entity.

§ 923 (a) No person shall engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or
dealing in firearms, or importing or manufacturing ammunition until he has filed an
application with and received a license to do so from the Secretary... Each applicant
shall pay a fee for obtaining such a license to do so from the Secretary... Each applicant
shall pay a fee for obtaining such a license, a separate fee being required for each
place in which the applicant is to do business, as follows:

(1) If the applicant is a manufacturer-

(A) of destructive devices, ammunition for destructive
devices or armor piercing ammunition, a fee of
$1,000 per year;

(2) If the applicant is an importer-

(A) of destructive devices, ammunition for destructive
devices or armor piercing ammunition, a fee of
$1,000 per year.

(e) ...The Secretary may, after notice and opportunity for hearing, revoke the license of a
dealer who willfully transfers armor piercing ammunition...

(k) Licensed importers and licensed manufactures shall mark all armor piecing
projectiles and packages containing such projectiles for distribution in the manner
prescribed by the Secretary by regulation. The Secretary shall furnish information to
each dealer licensed under this chapter defining which projectiles are considered armor
piercing ammunition as defined by section 921(a)(17)(B).

§ 929(a)(1) Whoever, during and in relation to the commission of a crime of
violence or drug trafficking crime (including a crime of violence or drug trafficking crime
which provides for an enhanced punishment if committed by the use of a deadly or
dangerous weapon or device) for which he may be prosecuted in a court of the United
States, uses or carries a firearm and is in possession of armor piercing ammunition
capable of being fired in that firearm, shall in addition to the punishment provided for the
commission of such crime of violence or drug trafficking crime, be sentenced to a term of
imprisonment for not less than five years.

(b) Not withstanding any other provision of law, the court shall not suspend the sentence
of any person convicted of a violation of this section, nor place the person on probation,
nor shall the terms of imprisonment run concurrently with any other terms of
imprisonment, including that imposed for the crime in which the armor piercing
ammunition was used or possessed. No person sentenced under this section shall be
eligible for parole during the term of impressment imposed herein. LIST OF ARMOR
PIERCING AMMUNITION

KTW AMMUNITION, all calibers. (Identified by a green coating on the projectile)

ARCANE AMMUNITION, all calibers. (Identified by a pointed bronze or brass projectile)

THV AMMUNITION, all calibers. (Identified by a brass or bronze projectile and having a
headstamp containing the letters SFM and THV)

CZECHOSLOVAKIAN manufactured 9mm Parabellum (Luger) ammunition having an iron
or steel core. (Identified by a cupronickel jacket and headstamp containing a triangle,
star and dates 49, 50, 51, or 52. The bullet is attracted to a magnet)

GERMAN manufactured 9mm Parabellum (Luger) having an iron or steel bullet core.
(Original packaging is marked Pisolenpatronen 08 m.E. May have black colored bullet.
This bullet is attracted to a magnet)

MSC AMMUNITION, Caliber .25. (Identified by a hollow point brass bullet. NOTE: MSC
ammunition Caliber .25 identified by a hollow point copper bullet is not armor piercing)

BLACK STEEL ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION, All Calibers, as produced by National
Cartridge, Atlanta, Georgia.

BLACK STEEL METAL PIERCING AMMUNITION, All Calibers, as produced by National
Cartridge, Atlanta, Georgia.

7.62mm NATO AP (Identified by black coloring in the bullet tip. This ammunition is used
by various NATO countries. The U.S. military designation is M61 AP)

7.62mm NATO SLAP (identified by projectile having a plastic sabot around a hard
penetrator. The penetrator protrudes above the sabot and is similar in appearance to a
Remington accelerator cartridge)

PMC ULTRAMAG .38 Special caliber, constructed entirely of a brass type material, and
plastic pusher disc located at the base of the projectile. NOTE: PMC ULTRAMAG 38J
late production made of copper with lead alloy projectile is not armor piercing.

OMNISHOCK, a .38 Special cartridge with a lead bullet containing a mild steel core with
a flattened head resembling a wad cutter. (NOTE: OMNISHOCK cartridges having a
bullet with an aluminum core are not armor piercing.)

7.62x39mm with steel core. (NOTE: these projectiles have a steel core. Projectiles
having a lead core with steel jacket or steel case are not armor piercing)

NOTE: THE FOLLOWING CARTRIDGES HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE
DEFINITION OF ARMOR PIERCING AMMUNITION:

5.56MM (.223) SS109 and M855 Ammunition, Identified by a green coating on the
projectile tip.

U.S. .30-06 M2 AP, Identified by a black coating on the projectile tip.

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by sidroski on Fri 24 Feb 2012 - 0:31

I always thought the tracers would ruin your barrel? Old wives tale? I did get a single shot 12 to shoot tracer or firework kind of ammo. Got the shotgun for $40. The ammo is not cheap but if the above does not harm a barrel, I'd give it a try for S-N-G's.
Like Capt' said about the green ones, "they look cooler."

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by Tree of Liberty on Mon 5 Mar 2012 - 19:56

sidroski wrote:I always thought the tracers would ruin your barrel? Old wives tale? I did get a single shot 12 to shoot tracer or firework kind of ammo. Got the shotgun for $40. The ammo is not cheap but if the above does not harm a barrel, I'd give it a try for S-N-G's.
Like Capt' said about the green ones, "they look cooler."



I like how the green tracer looks too. Red is still neat. I have never read/heard anything about Tracer rounds damaging a barrel...is this true? Is incendiary the same too?

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by 408alpha on Tue 6 Mar 2012 - 21:29

Bottle rockets at night are safer.......................

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Re: Laws on Tracer and Incendiary Ammunition

Post by sidroski on Tue 6 Mar 2012 - 21:42

408alpha wrote:Bottle rockets at night are safer.......................

Safe?? Safe?? If everyone is over 18 and sober it must be safe. Tracers fired at propane bottles at night on a lake, now that's got to be fun. Will a tracer penetrate? I've seen .357's that didn't. Doesn't work well with regular ammo either, it won't light it off unless you have a candle near.

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