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TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by mackied on Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:43 pm

New DNZ scope mount, New hinge pin (larger), same Nikon Monarch scope, Hornady Superformance 200g rounds = 1 1/8 Group.


Thanks everyone for comments and help.

Help folks.

Bought a .35 Whelen barrel for my Encore on Friday. Went to range on Monday to shoot and shot Federal Fusion 200g. Shot almost a whole box and could not get a decent group of of it. One group had two in the same hole and then a flyer to the right about 3".

Today I went and tried again this time with Barnes Vortex 180g. ammo. First shot about 2" high 1/2 right. Second shot about dead level vertical but 2 1/2" right. Third shot about 1" low and 1" right.

Scope is Nikon Monarch. Base and rings are solid so what gives I wonder.

I called TC and they suggested I return to them and they are sending me info so I can send barrel back to them for a look over.

Just bummed that I'm not going to be able to use it first part of the season. Was really looking forward to it as I
have heard so many good things about the caliber.

Anyone know of similar issues with this same barrel / gun combo in this caliber?

Other folks I know that have them are getting very good results with factory and reloads alike.

Just thought I would check before I dropped it in the mail. Maybe there is an easy fix?

Thanks Everyone

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by msredneck on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:00 pm

I dunno...When I got my Prohunter I put a Begera Barrel on it in 35 Whe

This is why we get our gun together long before season opens...not the day before

s**t happens

I would not call 3 shots a "group"....I'd say 5

Sounds like you were all over the place...I'd suspect the scope but since T/C had you send it in, then they may know something

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Post by msredneck on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:01 pm

BTW

shotguns - pattern

Rifles - group

Razz

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by mackied on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:12 pm

Yea I like to get my stuff ready way before season too , just wasn't able to get the barrel until last week so not much of a choice. I'm sure I can get it all worked out prior to second primitive weapon season, whatever the outcome is on the barrel.

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by Beladran on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:24 pm

lot of times a new tc barrel dont shoot with a crap. = ( just get some cheap ammo and blow a few boxs through it then try again.. also make sure your not over torqueing the forarm screws.

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by Joe S. on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:31 pm

msredneck wrote:BTW

shotguns - pattern

Rifles - group

Razz
not in this case...

sucks to have that kind of money in a setup and cant get it to perform like it is expected. heck, id be bummed if i had a handi rifle that was shooting like that...

sadly you are not the first person i have heard of that has had this problem with a T/C.. i have a couple friends that have had similar issues with their 35 whelens. best of luck to you! do you have something to hunt with in the meantime?

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Post by Joe S. on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:32 pm

Beladran wrote:also make sure your not over torqueing the forarm screws.
ditto

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Post by Beladran on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:42 pm

also if memory serves your shooting to light of a bullet for the twist rate in the encore... you need to be in the 200-250 range. i "think" the twist rate is 1:10 and for 200gr or less you want a 1:12-14

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by mackied on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:52 pm

Joe S. wrote:
msredneck wrote:BTW

shotguns - pattern

Rifles - group

Razz
not in this case...

sucks to have that kind of money in a setup and cant get it to perform like it is expected. heck, id be bummed if i had a handi rifle that was shooting like that...

sadly you are not the first person i have heard of that has had this problem with a T/C.. i have a couple friends that have had similar issues with their 35 whelens. best of luck to you! do you have something to hunt with in the meantime?


Thanks, Joe. I'm going to give it one more try with another scope just to see if it could be scope related. Will let you guys know what becomes of that trial.

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by Beladran on Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:55 pm

find a box of 225accubonds and a box of 250gr bullets.. think remington makes a cheap 250gr.. see if those change your groups.. also stay away from superformance hornady ammo been reading bad things about it in encores

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by mackied on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:09 pm

Beladran wrote:find a box of 225accubonds and a box of 250gr bullets.. think remington makes a cheap 250gr.. see if those change your groups.. also stay away from superformance hornady ammo been reading bad things about it in encores

Yes I read less than stellar reviews of the hornady superformance ammo. I just looked it up and the twist rate I find is 1:14, not positive mine is that but at any rate more ammo may be the key.

Also wanted to note that I was going on memory of my target so I'll adjust the numbers above. Still not to my liking though and not good IMO for 50 yds.

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by 228clay on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:16 pm

I have a T/C Pro Hunter in 35 Whelen that will not shoot any Hornady ammo (heavy/light, etc). Heavy gr. bullets worked for me. I shoot Rem. 250gr. green/yellow box with good results.

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by 228clay on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:17 pm

I have a T/C Pro Hunter in 35 Whelen that will not shoot any Hornady ammo (heavy/light, etc). Heavy gr. bullets worked for me. I shoot Rem. 250gr. green/yellow box with good results.

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by Beladran on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:19 pm

i thought remmy made a 250 gr in the "cheap" box. i know in the premier?(gold box) they have a trophy bonded corelok but they are like $70 bucks a box = (

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by msredneck on Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:32 pm

Helps to know your barrel twist rate when selecting ammo...and yes sometimes it may take a few to get it shootn

All I can say is I got no issues with mines....

with what you are describing to me...I'd say its either the scope, the mounts or the (hate to say it...the shooter...) Let another person who you know who shoots pretty well try it out and see if you get same result...it is a tough cartridge to handle...

Don't let Joe S fool ya'll...I'll take an Encore over a Handi any day



Best of Luck

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Post by 3spop on Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:35 pm

Beladran wrote: also make sure your not over torqueing the forarm screws.

Agreed. Check this. A buddy found out his forearm screw was broken. Took it to a machine shop and some kind of accident happened and he had to get a new barrell. Check the screws.

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by msredneck on Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:47 pm

If this is the barrel you have...

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/153067/thompson-center-barrel-thompson-center-encore-35-whelen-1-in-14-twist-24-blue

Its been discontinued....and I'd wanna know why...it might be why TC said send it back...


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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by Beladran on Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:49 pm

i have made a couple post about a hanger bar system for the forearm of encores and someone said they couldnt find any info on them.. Bullberry makes them

http://www.bullberry.com/forenddiscount.html

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Post by msredneck on Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:54 pm

In the meantime

Could I interest you in what I've found to be a very nice barrel

too bad they are out of stock...right now

http://www.bergarabarrels.com/bergarabarrels/break-action-barrels/t-c-encore-and-pro-hunter-rifle-barrels.html

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by Beladran on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:14 pm

those are good barrels at a good price.. i been watching a custom 338RUM barrel on gunbroker.. if someone buys that i wanna be at least another state away from them when they drop the hammer... there is a good reason why nobody chambers a encore in the ultra mag family no

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by mackied on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:32 pm

Thanks for all the help and comments. Here is the result of trying another scope. This time 25 yds. with the same Barnes Vortex 180gr. factory load.

First shot 1.75" left & .25" high
Second shot 1" left & .25" low
Third Shot and Fourth Shot 1" and 1.5" right & .50" low on both (they were overlapping one another)
Fifth Shot 2" right & .50" low

So basically as barrel gets warmer the bullet starts moving??

I did nothing different from first time except (1) Change the scope and (2) bring in the target from 50 yards to 25 yards.

Definitely going to send this one back to TC and see what they say. I'll try to keep you guys updated as TC says it takes about 4 to 6 weeks to turn around answer.

Going to mount the Nikon Monarch I had on another rifle to make sure nothing wrong with it.

Thanks again everyone

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Post by inthe10ring on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:58 pm

msredneck wrote:I'll take an Encore over a Handi any day

+1000000

I've had (and still have) several handi-rifles -- good rifles, but they don't compare to the TCs.

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by ftsibley on Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:52 am

i may have missed it but how are you shooting this. off a bench with front and rear rest, off truck hood, off a rolled up sweatshirt?


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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by mackied on Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:08 pm

ftsibley wrote:i may have missed it but how are you shooting this. off a bench with front and rear rest, off truck hood, off a rolled up sweatshirt?


Off a bench with front and rear rest. Solid as a rock foundation.

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by Xd357 on Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:57 pm

Are you flinching at all?

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by jim36 on Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:09 pm

Im'm having a little trouble getting mine (35W) to group under and inch. I shooting the 200 and some 250's. Gonna try a new powder and a different COL. Right now it's shooting 1/14 to 1/15 moa. I want it to shoot MOA or better. My 243 and the 45 70 are both MOA shooters. And by the way, JOE S I will be getting my H&R 35 W back in a week or so. Hope she is a good shooter;
Jim <")))><

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Post by mackied on Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:41 pm

Xd357 wrote:Are you flinching at all?

I don't believe so, no.

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by Joe S. on Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:14 pm

Hey Jim36, glad to see ya! Keep me posted on your progress. Thanks!

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Post by Hog Chain on Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:32 pm

I had a similar problem with my T/C in .35 Whelen. Zeroed @ 50 yards with three rounds of 200gr. Hornady's and moved to 100 yards. It was shooting high and right not grouping well at all. After shooting another 8 rounds, I pulled a bore snake through the barrel, let it cool down good and adjusted the scope. The next three rounds went into a group about three quarters of an inch. Bore snaked again, adjusted my scope and went into a new box of the Hornady ammo to double check myself before the season opened. The next three rounds were inside of an inch, one inch high at a hundred. Ain't touching nothing. It might of been me, but I don't think so.

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by drew14357 on Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:18 pm

makied

try shooting it with out the fore arm i have read numerious post about barrle harmonics an the fore arm causing the bullets to fly every where if scope an rings are tight try this

+ 1 to the posters who have said this before me

p.s. your not the only one with this happening many t/c users are finding this out! best of luck drew

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by mackied on Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:19 pm

Update: Going to try something different. I dropped it off tonight to have new mounts put on it and a general look over with maybe a new hinge pin. I plan to put Nosler Custom Accubond 225 gr. ammo through it next.

Will let everyone know how this turns out.

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Post by mackied on Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:20 pm

drew14357 wrote:makied

try shooting it with out the fore arm i have read numerious post about barrle harmonics an the fore arm causing the bullets to fly every where if scope an rings are tight try this

+ 1 to the posters who have said this before me

p.s. your not the only one with this happening many t/c users are finding this out! best of luck drew

Thanks Drew. If the new scope mounts and hinge pin don't work I'll give that a try.

Thanks,
Mac

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by grnyammer on Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:06 pm

stole this link from grasshoppers post : www.bellmtcs.com
Go to this site and read what they say about accuracy on tc's.
Link is towards bottom on left side of page. Hope this helps.

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Post by righttoown on Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:22 am

grnyammer wrote:stole this link from grasshoppers post : www.bellmtcs.com
Go to this site and read what they say about accuracy on tc's.
Link is towards bottom on left side of page. Hope this helps.

Yeah, Mike knows T/C and stays busy. He is even to busy to do trigger work, but a few years ago I sent my Pro Hunter for some trigger work to Barrett's in Alabama that was listed on Mike sites. He did a great job and was very knowledgeable on T/C. At one time I had heard about head spacing problems on the T/C 35. Below is address where my trigger work was done.

Barrett's Ammo Stockade
485 Co. Rd. 543
Hanceville, Al 35077
Phone: 256-352-5864
Bluing, Rebarreling, rechambering, custom trigger work, stock work, custom T/C forearms, bedding

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by Xd357 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:27 pm

What did you do to get it fixed?

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by mackied on Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:56 pm

I had a larger hinge pin put in it and a DNZ scope mount. Wasn't my idea but I'm thankful to the person who suggested it.


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accuracy locker pins

Post by hard times ed on Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:44 pm

I own a 35 whelen T/c prohunter with match grade machine barrel shot about what you are talking about. Bought a accuracy locker pin brought down the shot group to about an inch.
I have started reloading for this gun and settled with the 180 gr barnes ttsx flat base. Chrony shows 3 shot group at 3009, 3010 and 3011 and can be covered with a quarter with is just under a 3/4 inch group. pushing the 180 with 53.5 grains of imr 4198. has quite a kick but with porting the barrel sure did help the barrel jump. can shot it off sand bags with out holding forearm.

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by Xd357 on Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:22 pm

Where are y'all getting the locking pins?

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Re: TC Encore .35 Whelen fixed!!

Post by grasshopper on Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:45 pm

Locker pins:

You can get them through prbullet.com or through E A Brown's web site. You can't get them through the Bellm site, I don't think, because he uses his own "over-sized" hinge pins. I've used them exclusively with outstanding results.

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