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Post by Hrdnox on Tue 29 Nov 2011 - 10:29

The Feds have always delayed my handgun purchases, which was a little annoying, since I had no idea why. The approval has always come through the next morning, so I tried not to let it bother me too much, however it has made avoid the gun shows due to most of the dealers being from out of town. Scared me the first time, but I've gotten used to it now. Even got the packet once to apply for a unique PIN number, but was too lazy to jump through all the hoops.

Well, a little while back, I was looking through some personal documents and looked over my birth certificate. Discovered that I was listing my place of birth as the closest town to the Army Hospital I was born in, rather than the actual Army base. I changed that on my last application and it was delayed as usual, which was a little disappointing. Well, this morning I ordered a little KelTek from Gun Genie and went down to my local FFL to fill out the app, so it would be good to go tomorrow when the gun gets here. To my surprise, they passed me on the first try. Not sure if that change had anything to do with it, or not, but that's absolutely the only thing that has changed on my end.

My FFL said I could find out why I was being delayed by filling out an online form, which I've never been told before, so that may be something new, but I didn't need to and hopefully won't in the future, either. If you're being delayed, check back over your info closely, because it may be some little something like this that's causing it. Wish I knew for sure, but I don't and probably never will. I've tried to play a guessing game with myself over it before, but always came up empty. I knew for sure that I didn't have anything in my background to cause the delays, but apparently there was something there that the Feds didn't like. I'm glad it's gone now. This'll open up several more options for me.

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Re: Not sure what happened, but I'm pleased

Post by Lt.Dan on Tue 29 Nov 2011 - 21:02

I am in sort of the same situation. I was born on an Air Force base in Upper Michigan but I have always used the closest town (Marquette) for my place of birth. My birth cert even says the AF base. But I have only been delayed once due to my security clearance. At least you now have a way of finding out why.

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Re: Not sure what happened, but I'm pleased

Post by Hrdnox on Wed 30 Nov 2011 - 6:48

Yeah, I still question that a little. She handed me a pamphlet about appealing a denial. I told her that wouldn't help because I had never been denied, but she said it was the same procedure on a delay. Don't know if she knew what she was talking about or not and left the pamphlet in the store.

Speaking of security clearances, I've had two that were issued at different times when I worked at government facilities. One might not have been the same thing, since it was in an office, but the other was as a security guard qualified to carry a handgun in a shipyard over in Jacksonville, FL. Neither of those caught any delays, so apparently whatever was bugging the Feds occurred after that.

I'm surprised mine has gone away, because I was told that the reason for the continuous delays was that the law required the NCIS personel to delete and destroy your info request after approval for gun purchase, so each time you submitted an app, the whole process started from scratch. When I spoke with the ATF agent about it, I was told the only way around it was to acquire a unique PIN number and what that did was allow them to keep an open file on you with your corrected info. Don't know about all that, but I'm hopeful that I'll never encounter another delay and it's comforting to know that I'm OK with the Feds again.

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Re: Not sure what happened, but I'm pleased

Post by NRA_guy on Wed 30 Nov 2011 - 8:03

About 12 years ago I was going through the same delay in approvals. I was told that it could be something like a felon who has a name similar to mine or a SSN close to mine.

I just got a CCW permit and there is no longer any background check when I buy a gun.

I researched it and found that the only way to find out WHY they were delaying my purchase was to get the "incident number" (or whatever number each call gets assigned) from the FFL and write a letter to the FBI (no web inquiry). Here is the BATF FAQ on it:

* Who can request a NICS Appeal? Individuals who believe they have been erroneously denied a firearm transfer based on a match to a record returned by the NICS may request an appeal of their deny decision.
* How do I initiate an appeal request? All appeal inquiries must be submitted to the NICS Section’s Appeal Services Team (AST) in writing. Due to the Privacy Act of 1974, specific information cannot be disseminated to you via telephone. Appeal requests can be mailed, faxed, or electronically transmitted via the Internet.
* How do I request an appeal packet? To request an appeal packet, you can either print a copy of the appeal brochure and downloadable fingerprint card from the NICS Appeal website or you can call the NICS Customer Service at 1-877-FBI-NICS (324-6427). Appeal packets can be sent to you via mail, e-mail, or fax. You will need to provide your complete name and address, e-mail address, or fax number to the NICS customer service representative.
* How will I know the NICS received my appeal request? The AST will respond to your initial appeal request, in writing, by providing you the general reason for your denial within five business days. They will also advise you if a fingerprint card or additional documentation is necessary to further your appeal process.
* What do I need to include in my appeal request? You must provide your complete name, complete mailing address, and NICS Transaction Number (NTN) or State Transaction Number (STN). Failure to submit all required information may result in the rejection of your appeal request.
* What is a NICS NTN or STN? An NTN is a unique number assigned to each valid background check inquiry received by the NICS. An STN is a unique number assigned by a State Point of Contact to a valid background check inquiry. The primary purpose of an NTN or STN is to provide a means of associating inquiries to the NICS with the responses provided by the NICS to the Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs).
* Where can I get my NTN or STN? You must go to the FFL or state agency who initiated your NICS background check and request your NTN or STN.
* Should I submit my fingerprints along with my initial appeal request? Yes, providing your fingerprints along with your initial appeal request may help accelerate the appeal process.
* Is a fingerprint card mandatory to initiate an appeal request? In cases involving criminal history records, if fingerprints are not submitted along with an individual’s initial appeal request, they may subsequently be required to submit their fingerprints or certified court documentation to help establish positive proof of identity.
* Where should I go to get my fingerprint impressions rolled? Law enforcement agencies such as sheriff’s offices, police departments, etc., or any other authorized fingerprinting agency can roll your fingerprints for you.
* Do all fingerprinting agencies charge a fingerprinting fee? Fingerprinting agencies have the option to set their own individual rates or fees for fingerprint processing.
* Are electronic scanned fingerprint images accepted? Yes, individuals must request the fingerprinting agency to print a copy of their electronic scanned fingerprint images which will then need to be mailed to the AST. Note: Appeal Fingerprint Cards are not accepted via fax or the Internet.
* What do I do if my fingerprint card was rejected by the AST? You should first read the appeal response letter to determine if the fingerprint card was rejected because the fingerprints were insufficient and could not be processed, or if the fingerprint card information was incomplete. Either way, you will need to go back to the agency who initially rolled your fingerprints and ask the agency to complete the missing information or re-roll your fingerprints again if the fingerprint images were unable to be processed. (Note: The agency rolling the fingerprint impressions must include its agency name and address on the fingerprint card. The agency’s telephone number and employee’s signature must also be included.)
* Is there a way to find out the current status of my appeal request? You may contact the NICS Customer Service at 1-877-FBI-NICS (324-6427) for a status check. You will need to provide your name and NTN or STN to receive a NICS appeal status update.
* How can I cancel my appeal request? You must request the cancellation of your appeal request in writing. The request must include your complete name, mailing address, and NTN or STN.
* Can I have my response letter sent to my e-mail address? All appeal response letters are sent via the U.S. Postal Service. They cannot be sent via e-mail due to the Privacy Act of 1974.
* What do I do once I receive the overturn appeal letter and the appeal certificate? You must take the embossed overturn appeal certificate to the original FFL. If 30 days have elapsed since the initial background check, the FFL must recheck the NICS before allowing the transfer.
* How do I get a copy of my FBI identification record? If you have appealed a denied transaction and submitted your fingerprints to the AST, you will receive a copy of your FBI identification record only if your appeal is unable to be resolved. If you would like a copy of your FBI identification record without filing a NICS appeal, you may contact the Biometric Services Section’s Customer Service Group at (304) 625-5590.
* How can I challenge the accuracy of my FBI identification record? You may challenge the accuracy of the record used in the evaluation of your denial or declare your rights to obtain a firearm have been restored, etc. If you have additional information (e.g., court documentation), you should include the information along with your written appeal request. Please be advised every attempt is made to update all appropriate records in order to alleviate any complication on future background checks. You may also pursue completion or correction of any criminal history record maintained by the state and forward any modifications of your criminal history record directly to the NICS Section. You must include your NTN or STN on your additional documentation.
* Can I appeal a delay status? Appeal requests are for denied transactions. If you are experiencing extended delays, you will need to complete a Voluntary Appeal File (VAF) Application. You can either print a copy of the VAF Application and downloadable fingerprint card from the NICS Appeal website or you can request a VAF Application by contacting the NICS Customer Service at 1-877-FBI-NICS (324-6427). VAF packets can be sent to you via mail, e-mail, or fax. You will need to provide your complete name and address, e-mail address, or fax number to the NICS customer service representative.
* If my mailing address changes, who should I contact? If your address changes during the time your appeal request is in process, you should contact the NICS Customer Service at 1-877-FBI-NICS (324-6427) and advise them you have appealed a transaction and you need to have your new address updated. You will need to provide your name, NTN and/or STN, and the new address to the NICS customer service representative. Address changes may also be requested by writing to the FBI Criminal Justice Information Services Division, National Instant Criminal Background Check System Section, Appeal Services Team, Post Office Box 4278, Clarksburg, WV 26302-4278.


http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/appeals/nics-appeals-process/nics-appeal-frequently-asked-questions

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Re: Not sure what happened, but I'm pleased

Post by lpdb185 on Wed 30 Nov 2011 - 8:53

NRA_guy wrote:About 12 years ago I was going through the same delay in approvals. I was told that it could be something like a felon who has a name similar to mine or a SSN close to mine.

I just got a CCW permit and there is no longer any background check when I buy a gun.


i've always been delayed the full waiting period, even though i've been a leo for 8 years. i recently got my CCW and endorsement as "CYA" for carrying at school, but i had no idea it had an effect on the background check. how does that work?

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Re: Not sure what happened, but I'm pleased

Post by Hrdnox on Wed 30 Nov 2011 - 10:00

If I'm not mistaken, you fill out the 4473 and there's someplace to record your CCW # on it and the phone call never has to be made at all. Bad thing is, the ATF has the FFLs so scared of making a mistake that not all of them honor it. Even then, the phone call with your CCW # should provide an instant approval to proceed.

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Post by Lt.Dan on Wed 30 Nov 2011 - 10:09

Hrdnox wrote:If I'm not mistaken, you fill out the 4473 and there's someplace to record your CCW # on it and the phone call never has to be made at all. Bad thing is, the ATF has the FFLs so scared of making a mistake that not all of them honor it. Even then, the phone call with your CCW # should provide an instant approval to proceed.


Your CCW# is the same as your drivers license #. You just enter your the FP and # where it calls for and they will make a copy of both your FP and DL and your set to go. We never call them in I can tell you that.

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Re: Not sure what happened, but I'm pleased

Post by lpdb185 on Wed 30 Nov 2011 - 12:40

cool. i've learned something new today. but, it'll probably be a while before i get another gun and get to try it out, LOL.

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Post by jakeg823 on Wed 30 Nov 2011 - 12:49

lpdb185 wrote:cool. i've learned something new today. but, it'll probably be a while before i get another gun and get to try it out, LOL.


It definitely makes life easier

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Re: Not sure what happened, but I'm pleased

Post by Xd357 on Fri 2 Dec 2011 - 9:16

jakeg823 wrote:
lpdb185 wrote:cool. i've learned something new today. but, it'll probably be a while before i get another gun and get to try it out, LOL.


It definitely makes life easier


Yes it does

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