Re: Duty to inform LEO's

by EGB on Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:52 am

If I happen to get pulled over. I always hand over my permit with my license. I have personally seen a friend get out of 2 tickets because of it. I can't understand why anyone would want to hide it from the cops. But I travel in a lot of states and some states require it. And using the 2nd admendment as your carry permit will end in you going to jail. A lot of states require you to have a permit to keep a gun in your car. Michigan does. And the penalty is up to a year in jail and a $25000 fine.

by jakeg823 on Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:10 am

But in MS you aren't hiding it..............they know you have a permit the second they run your license.

Any cop who doesn't automatically assume that any given vehicle in MS doesn't have at least one gun in it needs to find another career.

Any cop who doesn't automatically assume that any driver who comes back as having a Firearm's Permit doesn't have at least one gun on his person and probably one more in the vehicle needs his head checked!

You're right though a lot of states require permits to keep a loaded gun within reach in your vehicle and duty to inform. Even several in the south. I know Alabama requires a permit to have a loaded gun within reach in the vehicle, and maybe duty to inform, but I know Louisiana has duty to inform upon first contact.

It's good practice to do, especially if you travel a lot.....if not then don't worry about it. If the cop is going to make a fuss and give you a ticket for something else because of it then odds are you were getting a ticket anyway and he just felt like justifying it further or making you feel irresponsible

by edc on Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:30 am

EGB wrote:If I happen to get pulled over. I always hand over my permit with my license. I have personally seen a friend get out of 2 tickets because of it. I can't understand why anyone would want to hide it from the cops. But I travel in a lot of states and some states require it. And using the 2nd admendment as your carry permit will end in you going to jail. A lot of states require you to have a permit to keep a gun in your car. Michigan does. And the penalty is up to a year in jail and a $25000 fine.

What else should I tell the cop when I'm stopped? Hello officer. Here is my permit, also I just got done eating at Burger King and plan on going to Wal-Mart to buy some light bulbs and a filter for my air conditioner. After that I may get the oil changed in my truck.

by Eaglestroker on Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:36 am

I haven't gotten pulled over in 8 years. What are you guys doing to need to worry about this?

I'll get a ticket today for saying that...

by EGB on Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:39 am

I personally think its good practice to hand then your permit with your drivers license. Whether its required or not. But its a personal dicision. I don't think the cop wants to know that ypuve been to mcdonalds. Everytime that I've done it. The cop has told me he appreciated me doing it. Its not violating my rights. Its common courtesy.

by EGB on Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:57 pm

I would think that would be a natural reaction for a cop. It wasn't like he drew down on your friend. So I don't see what difference it makes. I'm not for saying you have a gun. Because the cops pardner might just hear the word gun. That's why I just hand them my permit. I haven't had to do rhis but a couple. And no it didn't get me out of a ticket. I just prefer to be upfront with the cop. I have some friends that are cops and they told me they would prefet it this way. It soinds reasonable to me so I do it. This is just what I do. Buy I'm the tyoe that has respect for the badge. Yes sir and no sor. I found that if you treat cops with respect and don't try and hide anything. Everything just goes smoother. And I don't ser where its violating my rights. I look at it like this. When you try to be a smart ass to a cop even when he's in the wrong. You are still gonna come in second. I feel it best to get out of the situation as civilly and respectful ad possible. If you are wronged its better to try and make it right with a lawyer later.

by Jarhead5811 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:22 pm

sidroski wrote:I don't have a permit, I believe them to be unconstitutional. You have the right to bear arms or you don't. No $125 card was mentioned in the bill of rights.

I believe an income tax is unconstitutional but I still pay taxes.

by Diamond Jim on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:19 pm

There is a spot close to my home where MS State Police and Sheriff's Dept sets up a sobriety checkpoint a half dozen times a year and it's always on a Friday evening when my wife & I are coming home from shopping in town. I always hand them my DL & CC permit and they always wave me through without checking anything else, in fact as soon as they see the CC they don't even look at the DL. I too think it's relieves a tension point with the officers as they never know what's going to happen when they stop someone.

by Jarhead5811 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:33 pm

I have a case for my cell phone that will hold three cards. I keep my CC, Debit Card and work ID in it. I don't carry a wallet at all. If I'm not in my primary vehicle where I keep my DL I'll just be stuck giving them my CC. I don't anticipate any trouble.

by msredneck on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:39 pm

Think I'd add that DL to the cell phone pile...

driving without proof of a license and Insurance could get expensive

This whole thing kinda reminds me of a sign I've seen at a bait shop...

"even a fish would not get caught...if He kept his mouth shut"...which is what I do at a check point or a stop....

One time at a stop, the LEO said Sir...U got any guns in there?.....I just grinned and said... thinking

...Oh...Hell yeah!....the LEO bout pissed his pants laughing and let me go....since then its..

yes sir....no sir....

by burninfilm on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:45 pm

Myers wrote:Because if you treat that officer with some respect and have the courtesy to say hey I'm armed despite the law not requiring you to say a word, it can help open the pressure valve on an already stressful situation for the officer. You will likely be in the minority amongst all the jackasses they come across in a day. Whether they assume you are armed or not, it's still an unknown, I see it as a professional courtesy to give them a heads up. That immediately tells them a) you aren't a dirt bag b) you probably have nothing to hide and c) thus far, you aren't a jackass.

People get all tied up in "my rights" and often times rightfully so. There are some legitimate times that police overstep those. However, every law expert that harps about their rights widens the gap between police and civilians and further aggravates the "us v them" mentality that police tend to develop. Stand up for your rights, but I contend that some understanding of the difficulty of a police officers job and some common courtesy will go a hell of a long way in your encounters with them. Just my opinion.

I am a former Leo and I agree completely..Good post!

by Jarhead5811 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:47 pm

I keep proof of inssurance in both vehicles. I only drive my secondary vehicle to and from work on occasion. Ten miles one way on back roads. I have friends in Madison County LE plus the CC is a state issued ID with my DL # on it. Unless they were pretty unreasonable I doubt I've got anything to worry about.

by msredneck on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:53 pm

Its a pet peeve of mine...

In Mississippi...its a firearms permit....not a concealed carry permit or CC as ya'll refer to it

by Jarhead5811 on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:56 pm

Yes, that's what it says on it.
Just using the common lingo. Razz

I guess back to the point of the thread, I would not normally volunteer the fact that I'm armed if I were stopped in Mississippi.

by sidroski on Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:11 pm

Jarhead5811 wrote:
sidroski wrote:I don't have a permit, I believe them to be unconstitutional. You have the right to bear arms or you don't. No $125 card was mentioned in the bill of rights.
I believe an income tax is unconstitutional but I still pay taxes.

Agreed, fight the fights you can. That one is my little battle, I'll take on the IRS when I get Mitt's money.

by sidroski on Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:19 pm

msredneck wrote:One time at a stop, the LEO said Sir...U got any guns in there?.....I just grinned and said... ...Oh...Hell yeah!....the LEO bout pissed his pants laughing and let me go.

Reminds me of the joke about the cop asking the old lady w/ the guns in the car what she was afraid of, "not a f'ing thing".