NRA rapid fire loading procedure... Ammo on the mat or stool

http://www.nrahq.org/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-book.pdf

10.1.7 Rapid Fire Loading Procedure - For rapid fire stages, all shooters must start in the shooting position for the appropriate stage of fire (i.e. sitting or prone) before firing their rapid fire strings.

After the announcement “YOUR SIGHTER PERIOD HAS ENDED” or “FOR YOUR SECOND STRING OF RAPID FIRE” has been made, and before the targets appear, the rifle must be kept out of the shoulder, and the ammunition must remain on either the ground or the shooting stool. When the targets appear shooters will retrieve their ammunition, load either 2 or 5 rounds and commence fire. (Note: the rifle need not be in the shoulder before the bolt is closed.) After firing 2 or 5 rounds, competitors will reload 8 or 5 rounds as appropriate. Reloading before firing the 2nd or 5th round (hot reload) will result in the shooter receiving a total score of “0" for that entire 10-round string of fire.

I have one Dan. They are pretty cheap from Midway.

There is also a way to load 2 rounds into a 8 round clip. The bullets are crossed and held in place by each other. Describing it doesn't do it justice. I'll try to find a picture.

Here's a video. 2 round starts abot 3:00.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6_o-5vOm-A

Palo is holding a Pearl Harbor match on the 17th. Across The Course with Garands and '03's.

RStewart wrote:There is also a way to load 2 rounds into a 8 round clip. The bullets are crossed and held in place by each other. Describing it doesn't do it justice. I'll try to find a picture.

Here's a video. 2 round starts abot 3:00.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6_o-5vOm-A

Palo is holding a Pearl Harbor match on the 17th. Across The Course with Garands and '03's.

Me and Sub are southpaws, it's tough to load two rounds one handed because there is no easy way to trip the op rod. Thanks for the Pearl Harbor info, I may shoot that one!!!

Here is a video of one of the top Garand shooters, Maury Krupp, firing rapids. His spot weld and position are flawless, just look how the rifle comes back to the exact same spot and how he only fires when it's right.

That's amazing video Phillip! I want to try my Garand like that. His looked as though it recoiled like a .223.

PhillipM wrote:

RStewart wrote:There is also a way to load 2 rounds into a 8 round clip. The bullets are crossed and held in place by each other. Describing it doesn't do it justice. I'll try to find a picture.

Here's a video. 2 round starts abot 3:00.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6_o-5vOm-A

Palo is holding a Pearl Harbor match on the 17th. Across The Course with Garands and '03's.

Me and Sub are southpaws, it's tough to load two rounds one handed because there is no easy way to trip the op rod. Thanks for the Pearl Harbor info, I may shoot that one!!!

Here is a video of one of the top Garand shooters, Maury Krupp, firing rapids. His spot weld and position are flawless, just look how the rifle comes back to the exact same spot and how he only fires when it's right.

Nice video. Yeah, it can be tough on southpaws. I have shot next to a couple in XTC matches and you have to admire the guys who shoot a righthand rifle lefthanded.

I was reading the CMP rules awhile back and they described a method of loading the first two rounds in the Garand and then pushing those two rounds down to close the bolt on an empty chamber. Then, after getting into position and on the 'fire' command, racking the bolt to chamber a round and then fire.

Seems to me that would be safer and better. Basically you'd be operating the Garand the same way a magazine-fed rifle would be operated -- rounds in the mag and then chamber a round and fire once in position.

Doug Bowser wrote:
I was unaware of the in position rapid fire, except for senior citizens.

From what I gather the senior citizen lobby got the rules changed when, in my opinion, they should have gracefully retired or moved to F-Class when they couldn't drop into position any longer... of course it was billed as a safety issue for the press release.

shoeshooter wrote:Phillip, you be nice to us "elders". With some luck you will be one someday.

I've no problem making an exception for people whose physical limitations don't allow them to drop into position. However I disagree that everyone should be made to do the same. The ability to drop, load, assume a good position, and fire has been a tradition for over 100 years.

If you extended this logic to other sports, lets shorten the NASCAR races so Richard Petty can drive again without getting tired and change the NFL to flag football so Joe Montana can get back on the field.

So Phillip how do you really feel?

Brutus wrote:I was reading the CMP rules awhile back and they described a method of loading the first two rounds in the Garand and then pushing those two rounds down to close the bolt on an empty chamber. Then, after getting into position and on the 'fire' command, racking the bolt to chamber a round and then fire.

Seems to me that would be safer and better. Basically you'd be operating the Garand the same way a magazine-fed rifle would be operated -- rounds in the mag and then chamber a round and fire once in position.

You are correct. For Rapid Fire, CMP rules state that you load the 2 in the Garand, upon the "LOAD" command, the shooter will push them down & close the bolt with an empty chamber. Once the command is given to "commence fire" you get into position, cycle the action to load a round, then begin firing. If you are shooting a CMP-registered match, you should follow CMP rules, IMO. Our next M1 and Bolt Action Vintage Military rifle matches are on March 20, these are registered with the CMP and we will adhere to CMP rules.
That is all.
SW Gun Club Schießoffizier Zinke

PhillipM wrote:http://www.nrahq.org/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-book.pdf

10.1.7 Rapid Fire Loading Procedure - For rapid fire stages, all shooters must start in the shooting position
for the appropriate stage of fire (i.e. sitting or prone) before firing their rapid fire strings.
After the announcement “YOUR SIGHTER PERIOD HAS ENDED” or “FOR YOUR SECOND STRING OF
RAPID FIRE” has been made, and before the targets appear, the rifle must be kept out of the shoulder, and the
ammunition must remain on either the ground or the shooting stool. When the targets appear shooters will retrieve
their ammunition, load either 2 or 5 rounds and commence fire. (Note: the rifle need not be in the shoulder before
the bolt is closed.) After firing 2 or 5 rounds, competitors will reload 8 or 5 rounds as appropriate. Reloading before
firing the 2nd or 5th round (hot reload) will result in the shooter receiving a total score of “0" for that entire 10-round
string of fire.

And that's the way we do it at SW Gun Club for the HP rifle matches; 1st Saturday of the month. Scores are reported to NRA for classification, we follow the NRA HP Rifle Rules. I have a copy of the revised rules (June 2011) beside the computer now.

Scharfschütze wrote:

PhillipM wrote:http://www.nrahq.org/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-book.pdf

10.1.7 Rapid Fire Loading Procedure - For rapid fire stages, all shooters must start in the shooting position
for the appropriate stage of fire (i.e. sitting or prone) before firing their rapid fire strings.
After the announcement “YOUR SIGHTER PERIOD HAS ENDED” or “FOR YOUR SECOND STRING OF
RAPID FIRE” has been made, and before the targets appear, the rifle must be kept out of the shoulder, and the
ammunition must remain on either the ground or the shooting stool. When the targets appear shooters will retrieve
their ammunition, load either 2 or 5 rounds and commence fire. (Note: the rifle need not be in the shoulder before
the bolt is closed.) After firing 2 or 5 rounds, competitors will reload 8 or 5 rounds as appropriate. Reloading before
firing the 2nd or 5th round (hot reload) will result in the shooter receiving a total score of “0" for that entire 10-round
string of fire.

And that's the way we do it at SW Gun Club for the HP rifle matches; 1st Saturday of the month. Scores are reported to NRA for classification, we follow the NRA HP Rifle Rules. I have a copy of the revised rules (June 2011) beside the computer now.

I ordered some things from the CMP yesterday and was going to get you a CMP rulebook ($3) but they were out.

Richard M wrote:So Phillip how do you really feel?

I feel I should kidnap you and take you to Bogue Chitto. Did you figure out what was wrong with your M1A?