Israel versus Iran

Supposedly on/after December 31st (when the USA) exits Iraq is when it is highly likely to see an Israeli attack on Iran. The airspace over Iraq will be clear for Israel to proceed with action.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/14/us-will-leave-iraqi-airspace-clear-for-strategic-i/


...possibly time to buckle to seat belts on this issue.

a war in Iran is next on the list for some major power, whether it be us, the UN/NATO(wimps), or Israel. Iran has been talking smack for too long and they're about to be called on it.

I think that the US needs to stay out of it unless there is a legitimate threat to OUR national security. Israel being one of our most important allies, if they need help then yes we should step in, because lets face it, either way they're the underdogs in that fight.

HOWEVER i'm tired of seeing us being used as the world police.....our money needs to be focused elsewhere right now, and let NATO and other similar organizations take up that role since thats partly what they were created to do.

I've been watching quite a few shows on the military and discovery channel, and I recently noticed there are a lot of Americans who volunteer for service in the IDF. Last night, just for kicks and giggles I took a look at what it takes to join, and their first requirements are that you need to be Jewish, or have some familial ties to Israel.

not a lot of other countries out there that people volunteer from outside the country to join their military, and not be doing so just for citizenship status.

In this sense Israel would have the upperhand. When Israel fights for something, they know what its for, and they are a driven force, as they have shown in the past. Maybe its because, being Jews, they know how bad it can get if they let some other power try to take things over and bully them around? I dont know, but I do know I'd take great pleasure in watching them put the hurt on Iran.

mascott wrote:Very well stated Jakeg823.
scott

PS: are you sure your 23? That seems like an awful lot of wisdom.

Haha I get that a lot actually. Had some hippy-ish/stoner friend tell me I had an old soul....maybe that's it?

Just one problem with an American citizen joining the IDF, for sure in a combatant role, and
also possibly otherwise is that unless the law has been changed, serving in ANY foreign
nation's military will cost you your American citizenship post haste.

Of course the well connected politically will get around this, Rambo Emanuel served in
the IDF and of course Hillary's state department never pursed the issue, typical double
standard for Dimwitcraps.

jakeg823 wrote: Last night, just for kicks and giggles I took a look at what it takes to join, and their first requirements are that you need to be Jewish, or have some familial ties to Israel.

bla what ever happened to "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

Beladran wrote:

jakeg823 wrote: Last night, just for kicks and giggles I took a look at what it takes to join, and their first requirements are that you need to be Jewish, or have some familial ties to Israel.

bla what ever happened to "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

My thoughts exactly. There may have been more details later for non-Jews, I didn't dig too deep.

There are some cases I could see where someone couldn't fight for the US for some reason or another(say my case, I have 2 plates in my right leg), well assuming the IDF would take them, they might think "well if I can't fight for my country I could at least fight for the promised land..." or something to that effect. I can see why it would be like giving up your citizen ship, but at the same time lots of folks are dual citizens.....I'm not familiar with immigration/citizenship laws, but I wonder where that line is drawn?

i mean they are OUR allies??? i could see if they joined Sadam's Republican Guard or something

savageshooter wrote:dem ragheads have forgotten the 67 war. Israel whooped on them good. stories i have heard, the Almighty showed up too. day best be careful with the chosen people.

Yes, but they also came dangerously close to losing the '73 Yom Kippur War. The 67 war and other wars had given the Israelis a sense of invulnerability, and they had grown a bit lax. The Soviets had supplied the Egyptians with all kinds of new toys that even we didn't know about, including some new SAMs and anti-tank weapons that wreaked havoc on Israeli forces. They were supposedly so bad off that at one point, PM Golda Meir ordered the preparations of tactical nukes to be used as a last resort, though some believe this was just a ploy to get the US to send more aid. It worked, but we paid for it in the form of the 1973 OPEC oil embargo.

Israel is a long way from Iran and surrounded by enemies. While this has never stopped them in the past (see the air strike on Iraq's nuke plant at Osirak), it could lead to a major war. What's scary about that is Israel has proven they have nukes and aren't afraid to use 'em, while I suspect other players in the area may have nukes and are probably fanatical enough to use them.

steve2112 wrote:The 67 war and other wars had given the Israelis a sense of invulnerability, and they had grown a bit lax. The Soviets had supplied the Egyptians with all kinds of new toys that even we didn't know about, including some new SAMs and anti-tank weapons that wreaked havoc on Israeli forces. They were supposedly so bad off that at one point, PM Golda Meir ordered the preparations of tactical nukes to be used as a last resort, though some believe this was just a ploy to get the US to send more aid. It worked, but we paid for it in the form of the 1973 OPEC oil embargo.

Israel is a long way from Iran and surrounded by enemies. While this has never stopped them in the past (see the air strike on Iraq's nuke plant at Osirak), it could lead to a major war. What's scary about that is Israel has proven they have nukes and aren't afraid to use 'em, while I suspect other players in the area may have nukes and are probably fanatical enough to use them.

Very true. Last couple of skirmishes, the Arabs gave as good as they got. No more being in Beirut a week after Isreal got P.O.'ed. After seeing so many dictators taken out even being underground 200', I think Iran has that stuff hid out all over and extremely well protected. Would not be surprised if they had there plants under populated areas. I hope some of these bunker busters we've been selling them work, otherwise it will be nuke on nuke (Saddam proved he could hit Isreal 20 years ago and you know the missiles have been greatly enhanced since then).

45flattop wrote:Just one problem with an American citizen joining the IDF, for sure in a combatant role, and
also possibly otherwise is that unless the law has been changed, serving in ANY foreign
nation's military will cost you your American citizenship post haste.

Of course the well connected politically will get around this, Rambo Emanuel served in
the IDF and of course Hillary's state department never pursed the issue, typical double
standard for Dimwitcraps.

Actually this isn't entirely correct. First, individuals with two Jewish Citizen-American Immigrant Parents who had dual Israeli Citizenship are REQUIRED to serve in the IDF if they lived in Israel past their 13th Birthday. They, like any American who wants to serve in Any Army, only loses citizenship if they serve in a foreign Army as a Commissioned Officer, if they serve as Enlisted or NCO, they don't lose American Citizenship.

On Topic: Last week both China and Russia stated they would defend Iran if it were attacked. IMHO, If Israel or the U.S. or both attack Iran, and China and Russia actually do defend Iran, we could end up starting WWIII. I would hate to see that but my feeling is it is almost inevitable.

On a side note, if that were to happen I would not be sitting on the sidelines. Im only 49 and as an Active Duty retiree still eligable to join the NG and that would motivate me to work my aZZ off to get into shape and get into it one way or another. It would be like that old typing class (Which I took back in the 70's) line goes. "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country". Nope, wont find me sitting on the sidelines.

Looks like we haven't seen anything yet and its been one month since Dec 31st

...knock on wood

The U.S. needs to let Isreal know they go it alone if it's one on one. Let Russia and China know if they decide to step in, we will also, and neither wants to face us now. Maybe ten years from now but not now.

If the boogie man gets his way, we'll be going in and doing the dirty work for them. Everyday, the news media has us closer to confrontation. God forbid there is another attack on American soil, because this one may be a lot nastier than Iraq or Afghanistan. I'll be surprised if we're not fully engaged with them sometime this year. Hopefully, this one will be taken and handled seriously without all the silly limitations. Scorched earth sounds good to me and, just to make sure they understand what we're really about, let Israel govern them afterwards, if the ground isn't so contaminated with nuclear fallout that it's not fit for human habitation. Since Reagan didn't have the nerve, it's time we stood up to these stooges and ended this crap once and for all. Scorched earth does have a nice ring to it, doesn't it? While we're at it, why not just finish what we started in Iraq, Afghanistan, and throw Pakistan in for good measure. They're all neighbors, so it should be easy enough to nuke the crap out of all of them. Few sorties and the job will be done. Kill them all and let God sort it out.

IMHO, the use of nuclear weapons by ANYONE on this planet including US would be a disaster. A single launch would trigger just about everyone else with nukes allied to the target to launch their own, then we'd have to respond against their allies and our allies would respond against them and their allies... This would pretty much end civilization as we know it, if not making us completely extinct in one day.

Nuclear scorched earth is 'cool' to talk about, but really has no place in a serious discussion.