3# Trigger Minimum for 2013 in Production

We might see it as to late, but they make the rules, so for those of us with a sub three pound trigger on our production guns will have to change some springs to increase it to at least three pounds.

Depending on the gun, I would think the fix should be pretty cheap, e.g. just buy a different spring or put the factory spring back.

Thanks for the heads up, quite the discussion over there. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=142216&st=0

I have a +3# trigger on my XD and think it is perfect for my style of shooting. My style of shooting consists of simply snatching on the trigger as fast as I can until I start hitting stuff, it may seem a little unorthodox but it's been working for me.

nothing wrote:I guess the way I see it is production seems to be working fine as is. I run a CZ primarily so it really doesn't effect me, although my backup pistol is set for a sub 3# trigger. It won't take me long to re-spring it to 3 and really it's not enough to make a difference in performance.

On the flip side there is talk of allowing more aftermarket parts externally for triggers. It seems like that just removes one perceived problem and creates another. It's also going to cost a lot of folks extra money who prefer not to do their own trigger work trying to get back in compliance. Not to mention springs wear and I'd hate to see shooters get bumped to open because their springs wore down to a 2.98# trigger.

Very true and the whole discussion on how do you with a very high degree of accuracy test a guns trigger weight.

I'm all for the creation of a stock production division were no modifications are allowed and keep the current production division with sub 3 pound triggers and minor modifications.

That's really unfair to striker-fired guns. The double-action/single-action platforms can go as light as the gun will fire after the first shot. In other words, my CZ is 6 lbs for the first shot, and a low 2 from the second shot on. I've felt some lighter than that.

Additionally, the plastic guns are already at a disadvantage when it comes to frame weight, so why penalize them even more?

The new shooter to this sport will usually start off with an Xd/Glock/M&P rig. The lighter weight helps them develop trigger control. To the experienced shooter it doesn't make any difference.

This issue came up a couple of years ago and it didn't happen. Production has been wildly successful. Why mess it up? And as for who makes the rules, members are what make USPSA, not the other way around.

Cliff Cargill wrote:That's really unfair to striker-fired guns. The double-action/single- action platforms can go as light as the gun will fire after the first shot. In other words, my CZ is 6 lbs for the first shot, and a low 2 from the second shot. I've felt some lighter than that.

Additionally, the plastic guns are already at a disadvantage when it comes to frame weight, so why penalize them even more?

The new shooter to this sport will usually start off with an Xd/Glock/M&P rig. The lighter weight helps them develop trigger control. To the experienced shooter it doesn't make any difference.

I love the trigger on my M&P after installing the APEX Comp components, but I think smoothing out the trigger was more of an advantage then the sub 3 pound pull.

Someone on Enos mentioned that CZ's stock will go up if this rules takes effect

Cliff Cargill wrote:This issue came up a couple of years ago and it didn't happen. Production has been wildly successful. Why mess it up? And as for who makes the rules, members are what make USPSA, not the other way around.

Looks like it's time for the masses to start complaining.

Cliff,

Throughout the post they bring up a couple points. (I've been reading all the pages). The way the rule states is YOUR FIRST SHOT must not be sub 3lb. So if they write it just like that. CZs would get screwed. Table starts and unloaded starts your first pull is greater than 3lb. It's just a big arse mess period!!!!

I don't shoot production (yet) and I think it's stupid. It will be hard to enforce as trigger pull is one of the most difficult things to measure consistently.

My suggestion to EVERYONE is to email the AD and President. Phil's email is gmshtr@yahoo.com. Tell him if you are for or against this. It does not take affect for another year so there is time to repeal it but we have to take a stance against it

As I understand, all first shots must be 3lbs. or more.

How will this hurt a CZ?

bsdubois00 wrote:Cliff,

Throughout the post they bring up a couple points. (I've been reading all the pages). The way the rule states is YOUR FIRST SHOT must be sub 3lb. So if they write it just like that. CZs would get screwed.

The rule states your first shot must NOT NOT NOT be sub 3lbs

We need to pass around a petition at January's match stating our disapproval of the sub 3 pound trigger rule on the grounds that it will be very difficult to accurately enforce and a sub 3 pound trigger does not constitute a true competitive advantage and/or other reasons.

Have folks sign it, then pass along to Bryant so he can give it to the powers to be.

jdphotoguy wrote:

bsdubois00 wrote:Cliff,

Throughout the post they bring up a couple points. (I've been reading all the pages). The way the rule states is YOUR FIRST SHOT must be sub 3lb. So if they write it just like that. CZs would get screwed.

The rule states your first shot must NOT NOT NOT be sub 3lbs

Exactly.

Right it was a typo. Sorry.

But the way it's written with the only rule being a NON sub 3lb first shot it leaves issues open for da/sa guns with unloaded starts. NOw your first shot is sub 3lb

I understand they are trying to eliminate competitive advantages and keep Production more stock, but that does not disallow a gun manufacture from working advantages into one of their stock guns and making it better then the current lot of Production guns. Look at the new Springfield XDM 5.25, it's all tricked out for competition and has a true advantage over a stock XD or non 5.25 XDM.

Going to a 3# minimum would make little difference to the average shooter but as JD pointed out there would be a problem of how to enforce the rule. There are set guidlines on how to chrono and even weigh guns but most of the time none of them are used so how would it be possible for two people to make the same trigger pull the same.

As for the weight disadvantage of the "plastic" guns I don't see it that way. The lighter weight provides me with a quick and "flickable" gun with instant indexes and the snappy feeling recoil makes it quicker on follow up shots unlike the lazy metal framed Production guns.

Why not rename production to Limited Lite (it's more fun tha production already).

Limited rules but no magwell
9mm minor scoring

Problem. Solved.

bsdubois00 wrote:Right it was a typo. Sorry.

But the way it's written with the only rule being a NON sub 3lb first shot it leaves issues open for da/sa guns with unloaded starts. NOw your first shot is sub 3lb

Now if Brandon's logic holds true, what happens to a CZ when they test the pull weight. The gun will of course be unloaded, so does the RO measuring the pull weight rack the slide on a CZ and then decock the hammer and weigh the trigger pull or does he/she, rack the slide and test the weight?

OK, looks like nothing's post above answers that question.

We'll see how "lazy" they are Sunday. Move over when the lead lap cars come around, Michael.