carry at home without a permit?

by beltfed on Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:28 pm

I do not have a concealed carry permit but I plan on applying next week or so. I do have a few questions for the mean time. Can I carry a IWB holstered pistol while at home. Im sure inside my own home would be fine, but what about while out in the front or back yard. We live in a no so great part of town with lots of foot traffic from citizens of a non-caucasan ethnicity an there has lately been a rash of home robbieries by these contributing members of society during daylight and even a couple where the residents were in their home during the robbery!

Im home during the day sometimes and my home is usually left unattended while Im out in my detached garage where I spend 90% of my home time. And lately Ive had a few "casers". You know the ones that knock on your door in the middle of the day asking to mow your lawn or wash your cars even though they dont have a mower or bucket. I actually had one young non-caucasian male in my fenced back yard and when I confronted him he said he was looking for the home owners to inquire about side jobs.....yea. I ran him off with a stern warning that next time there will be no talking.

My biggest concern would be to walk in my back door from the garage to find an armed intruder rummaging through my house. We, including the neighbors, have called the police numerous time and they actually just told us once "what do you want us to do? Its just a bunch of crack heads" like it wasnt even worth messing with them because theyd just be back on the streets in a few days.
My though process has become: When seconds count the police are just a few minutes away.

So, Can I concealed carry in front or back yard?

PS I own my home, not renting, in Gulfport.

by edc on Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:44 pm

No problem.

by mascott on Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:58 pm

My suggestion to you would be to get out ASAP. I know sometimes this is hard, but from what you say nothing good is going to come from this situation. It will only get worse!
scott

by 45flattop on Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:58 pm

Mississippi's Castle Doctrine Law ought to protect you at home or as I understand it,
anywhere you have a right to be, I.E. in your vehicle or at a relative's home or in your
garage and once your permit comes in, anywhere you aren't expressly prohibited from
carrying openly or concealed. On your own property those periodic "visitors" are just
begging for a very long term dirt nap 6 feet under where they deserve what they get.
If you should carry in your vehicle the Castle Doctrine ends when you step outside
unless you're on your own property however, but that changes once you get your permit.

by beltfed on Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:09 pm

Mascott, were working on selling the house and moving. I bought this home many years ago before hurrican Katrina when my neighborhood was a lovely place to live. Once Katrina happend it brought alot of strangers to the town. We live very close to the beach so were always getting alot of traffic from illegal immigrant construction crews and folks who like to rummage the abandoned lots looking for loot. Then they built the casino two blocks from my home. We thought this would increase the property value (location location location, think about those run down million dollar homes by the Las Vegas strip) But all lthe casino did was invite a bunch of rif-raf and broke stragglers into the neighborhood.

Were selling our lovely home in this once great community to move away from the zombies. Selling it at a great financial loss as well because of property value and the economy getting flushed. Sad actually.

by BigDaddyQ on Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:23 pm

Yes but its better to get out now, than suffer HUGE financial losses later. To date no neighborhood has ever made a comeback once it becomes a ghetto. Unless like places in Phoenix AZ they decide to make it commercial and bulldoze everything to build another big casino.

by Scharfschütze on Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:26 pm

45flattop wrote:Mississippi's Castle Doctrine Law ought to protect you at home or as I understand it,
anywhere you have a right to be, I.E. in your vehicle or at a relative's home or in your
garage and once your permit comes in, anywhere you aren't expressly prohibited from
carrying openly or concealed. On your own property those periodic "visitors" are just
begging for a very long term dirt nap 6 feet under where they deserve what they get.
If you should carry in your vehicle the Castle Doctrine ends when you step outside
unless you're on your own property however, but that changes once you get your permit.

45flattop is correct: under the "Castle Doctrine" you can carry on your property, private property where you have a legal reason / right to be (as 45flattop wrote, for example, a relative's property), at your business, in your vehicle, all without permit. If you leave your property or get out of your car anywhere which is NOT your property, then you do need a permit.
Good luck with the house sale, unfortunately that sounds like your best course of action.

by Kevin346 on Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:39 am

Where on the coast do you live? I lived in Biloxi for a year and a half and just moved to Ocean Springs. I had a guy come buy a few days after I moved and asked to mow my grass. 10 minutes later had three people come and try to sell me a “cleaning product”. I called the police too and the dispatcher did not seem very concerned about it. But if I called the police about something like you have described and the response I got was “what do you want us to do about it” I would have replied “your damn jobs”. Then the next phone call would have been to the Chief of Police and then to the mayors office to let them know what kind of a crappy department they have.

by beltfed on Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:54 am

I live in Gulfport, south of the tracks by the Island View. Used to be a classy part of town for only the best of well-to-do's, years ago.

I actually have spoken with Gulfports Chief of Police, Mr. Alan Weatherford on a few occasions. He doesnt much care for me. He actually knows me by name becasue I told him that I was "the only law enforecement in this neighborhood" after he personally stopped by me residence after my own home got broke into while I was building my garage back in 2009.

While I was bulding my garage it got robbed one DAY while I was at work and they stole all my tools. That was after a rash of robberies by a bunch of local african american teenagers from a few blocks over. The police went to the "poor little innocent kids" house where there mother blamed their skin color on the reason the police were there and that was the end of that.

Mr Weatherford made comments about me walking around IN MY HOME with a firearm and he asked me "what would your neighbors think about that?" I told him "my neighbors love me because I'm the only law in this part of town".....

As you can see, The city wont do anything because the perps pull the race card and nobody wants to mess with that.

You should have seen the look on his face when I submitted a Form 4 for a suppressor for CLEO signature...HAHA!

by jakeg823 on Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:30 am

Perfectly legal in all scenarios stated above. Go ahead and start carrying around the house. It'll make for an easier transition once you start carrying in public. Kind of helps eliminate that awkward feeling that you'll have at first.

The key is a good gun belt and a good holster. PM eaglestroker for both thumbs up

by Hrdnox on Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:16 am

Along the same lines, I've been wondering about another scenario. If I'm traveling in MS, does the Castle Doctrine extend to the motel and its property I'm staying in? Common sense would tell me it would, but I've learned not to depend on common sense where it comes to gun laws.

by NRA_guy on Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:47 am

Hrdnox wrote:Along the same lines, I've been wondering about another scenario. If I'm traveling in MS, does the Castle Doctrine extend to the motel and its property I'm staying in? Common sense would tell me it would, but I've learned not to depend on common sense where it comes to gun laws.

Here is the relevant section of the Mississippi Code:

(c) As used in subsections (1)(e) and (3) of this section, "dwelling" means a building or conveyance of any kind that has a roof over it, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, including a tent, that is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night, including any attached porch;

On the original issue, the castle law appears to apply to the entire "premises" of a place of employment---not your dwelling's premises. You can definitely carry in your yard, but I am not sure if the castle law would protect you if you shoot a criminal in your yard.

You might stick up some "NO TRESPASSING" signs (in English and Spanish); so they can't claim they just came over to borrow a cup of sugar:

(3) A person who uses defensive force shall be presumed to have reasonably feared imminent death or great bodily harm, or the commission of a felony upon him or another or upon his dwelling, or against a vehicle which he was occupying, or against his business or place of employment or the immediate premises of such business or place of employment, if the person against whom the defensive force was used, was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, occupied vehicle, business, place of employment or the immediate premises thereof or if that person had unlawfully removed or was attempting to unlawfully remove another against the other person's will from that dwelling, occupied vehicle, business, place of employment or the immediate premises thereof and the person who used defensive force knew or had reason to believe that the forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

by mascott on Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:41 pm

I understand Beltfed. I used to live in South Jacktown. It was a good place to live back in the day. We got out before it went bad, but they go bad in a hurry. Property values fall quickly. And people can play the race card if they like but facts are facts whether they like it or not!I personally have ZERO problems with any person of any color, but despise a THUG no matter what color he is.
scott

by CinBrandon on Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:37 am

beltfed wrote:
You should have seen the look on his face when I submitted a Form 4 for a suppressor for CLEO signature...HAHA!

Please explain: what is a form 4 for a suppressor?
Thanks

by beltfed on Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:12 am

A form 4 is an ATF form used when an individual wants to purchase (transfer) an NFA item (suppressor, short barrel rifle, machinegun ..etc).

In typical cases for private citizens we must submit a Form 4 to the ATF to acquire the tax stamp needed to posess the said item. Again in most typical cases the Form 4 must be signed by the "CLEO" Chief Local Law Enforcement Officer before being submitted to the BATF&E for final approval.

by PhillipM on Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:57 am

I'd move as fast as possible and in the meantime be known as that crazy guy that wears a big pistol on his side in plain view.

by JKtruck150 on Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:39 pm

Be careful till you can sell, Beltfed, but carry away on your property! I do drinks

! As Jake said, it makes for an easy transition.

by CHIEFDAN on Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:21 pm

re: carry at home w/o permit?
I'm new to posting & gun laws & the need to carry. I live near Sardis Lake & haven't had any trouble, but the times they are a changin'. I thank you for all the discussion on this topic. later.

by msredneck on Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:36 pm

Personally I can't hardly believe the question needed to be asked...

Hell yeah carry at home...whose gonna tell u otherwise...

When you start gettn robbed it becomes open season on bad guys...

For about a month after Katrina, me and several neighbors patroled our neighborhood at night...Me and ole Sarge (my 120 ln German Shepard) made the rounds....We pretty well made it known on our street...U loot...we shoot....we had no issues other than no power for 9 days...even way up here in Central, Ms

You need to get the heck out of there man...take your lumps and move on....hurricane Katrina was bad...be done with her

by Cliff731 on Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:47 am

beltfed wrote:...Mr Weatherford made comments about me walking around IN MY HOME with a firearm and he asked me "what would your neighbors think about that?" I told him "my neighbors love me because I'm the only law in this part of town".....

The mayor obviously needs to read up on applicable MS legal code before he makes such a knee-jerk reactive statement...

MISSISSIPPI CODE OF 1972
As Amended

SEC. 97-37-1. Deadly weapons; carrying while concealed; use or attempt to use; penalties.

(2) It shall not be a violation of this section for any person over the age of eighteen (18) years to carry a firearm or deadly weapon concealed in whole or in part within the confines of his own home or his place of business, or any real property associated with his home or business or within any motor vehicle.

No doubt, that man views YOU as the "problem"... confused

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