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Post by Joe S. on Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:32 pm

Ive said it before and will say it again, Ruger is really comng with it. This time an economical bolt action. Way to go Ruger!!

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-American.htm

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Re: Ruger American

Post by 22lrfan on Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:19 pm

Interesting! thinking I wonder what they will sell for?

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Post by 45flattop on Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:00 pm

When Ruger brought out the Hawkeye rifle, it was a dumbing down of the cost of manufacture
in favor of a lousy ugly fake bead blasted finish so they wouldn't need to polish the action
and barrel, same with the stock "slimming down", just scrimping bucks on walnut. This thing
is even worse, a push feed monstrosity that is uglier than a pig in a wallow. The urge to
maximize costs at the expense of their customers of long standing is inconceivable.
They should leave the push feed designs to Savage and Remington who know how to
do them correctly. Ever since the last member of the Ruger family left the company and
board, Bill Ruger must be spinning in his grave at the sight of all the plastic toys they're
putting out and now this..........yuck. Obviously I'm not a fan of polymer or even aluminum
alloy in guns and will leave them up to the likes of Glock and others, thanks. crying

P.S. they will probably sell these things by the boat load and never realize they've lost
both the vision and the corporate integrity of the founder, they even dropped Alexander
Sturm's name and initial from the logo. Without him Ruger may never have gotten his first
gun made or sold.

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Re: Ruger American

Post by Doug Bowser on Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:36 pm

It isn't as nice as my Pre WW2 Model 70 Winchester in .270 WCF. I don't like TUPPERWARE guns either. Aluminum is better than plastic but steel is better yet. What Ruger has done to the 10/22 shouldn't happen to a junkyard dog. The lack of final fitting in the Mark III pistols amazes me.

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Re: Ruger American

Post by Joe S. on Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:06 am

I dont see anything wrong with wanting to get a market they've never really had before by offering a gun "anyone" can afford. We sell more remington 770s than anything because its CHEAP, and (a lot of) people want CHEAP. If i made guns id want some of that market. Cant knock em for that.

They still make their higher end rifles as well so you arent losing that. You just got more to choose from.

As far as the mk3 im no gun expert but ive never noticed any flaws on my mk3... It looks just like every mk2 ive handled except for the nicer thumb release for the magazine.

Seems like everyone has something bad to say when a company puts new items on the market. Too much plastic, crappy triggers, jumping on the "so and so" bandwagon, shouldve kept the original 1920 design, blah blah blah... The world is changing everyday. Gotta roll with it.

In this economy i cant blame a company for wanting to cut costs and make a product thats affordable for as many people as they can reach. Bill ruger may just be rolling over in his grave, but would he be so stone faced as to not change with a poor economy? Seems like that attitude could put someone out of business. But maybe he would be. He IS the one that said you dont need hi capacity magazines. His outlook alienated the company from a lot of people and with that philosophy we wouldn't have the SR556 or the Scout rifle, two GREAT rifles they have out at the moment. Also wouldn't have the cool 25 rd mags for the 10-22 that is now a factory offering...

Just my humble opinion. Nay sayers unite! lol

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Re: Ruger American

Post by BigDaddyQ on Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:00 am

+1.
To be successful in this world you have to be able to adapt, improvise and overcome. An affordable firearm is what it is. It'll never be a sniper rifle, but thousands of people will buy them and use them for many years.

And wow did you see the grouping with the federal 180 grains?

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Re: Ruger American

Post by sand_man on Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:34 am

http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifle/models.html

MSRP $449. All specs on this site.

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Re: Ruger American

Post by Doug Bowser on Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:39 am

We have 5 Ruger Mark III Pistols that our gun club owns. I have worked on at least 50 other Mark III's.

In about 50% of them the top of the magazine lips are too high when locked into the pistol. This causes the extracted fired ctg case to hit the magazine lips before the ctg case hits the ejector. This spins the ctg case backwards and the next ctg in the magazine causes a double load situation. This does not happen all the time but often enough to ruin a rapid fire pistol match if you don't fix it.


Also 40-50% of the mark III pistols have really heavy triggers. I was given one Mark III to do a trigger job on. When I first tried the trigger pull I thought the safety was on. Mark I &II pistols would have never left the factory in this condition.

There is a trigger stop screw on the front of the trigger on the Ruger mark III target pistols. They are NEVER set at the factory. The stop is always screwed all the way in and does not work as intended. The Mark I&II pistols had their trigger stops set at the factory.

Ruger has turned a fine pistol into a problem for some of their owners. I have seen it over and over again and it would only take $20 or $30 more to market a really good handgun, instead of a handgun that has to be gunsmithed before it is serviceable in the way the buyer expected it to be when purchased.

I have had , of the 5 pistols we bought, we had 3 magazines that you could not even load ammunition into. No excuse for sloppy quality control. The Mark II is a better buy used than the Mark III is new.

I buy older firearms used because the bean counters, at that time, did not interfere with the products.

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Re: Ruger American

Post by Joe S. on Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:42 pm

If i had your experiences i may have your opinions. Guess i need to buy more guns. Ha

My mk3 has been great with none of the problems you cite. Guess thats why i like the mk3 so much. It even has a decent trigger...

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Re: Ruger American

Post by 22lrfan on Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:09 pm

I've never had a problem with my MK3 but I bought it used. Maybe they worked on it and got the bugs out of it. I do like my MKII better though.

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Re: Ruger American

Post by chaseguitar on Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:32 am

If it will shoot like Jeff Quinn's will, I'll have one....

BTW, don't put the blame on the gun companies and their "bean counters"....in this day and age the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the consumers....crawl out from under the piles of pre-64 winchester propaganda and look at what people are shooting these days...the trend is for plastic, matte finish, throw it in the truck and leave it guns....It pains me as much as the next guy, but that's the truth...supply simply trying to match demand....I'm a shotgun guy and think that they should be wood and blued but try finding one of those today....when's the last time you saw a new 870 Wingmaster on the shelf....people want the latest greatest plastic abomination that they can not only shoot the heaviest loads in but also paddle the boat with....people don't take care of their stuff any more, so the less they perceive they have to do to a gun to keep it going the more value they see there....Rifles are no different....I talk to people all the time that leave their guns in the turck all season....It's all I can do not to blackout...My rifles are wood and blue for the most part...I do have a Ruger Hawkeye in stainless and synthetic that I hunt in bad weather with, but other than that, my 257 Roberts and 7x57 (both Rugers) are wood and blued....My 257 is a hawkeye and I love it....it shoots and is a much keener, better feeling rifle than my 7x57 which is a Tang Safety Ruger....I like it to, but it is a bit clunky...I'm just thankful that ruger is doing what they can to turn a profit and stay in business....I don't think they're selling their sole, but if sometimes I wonder if Bill Ruger were still around would ruger still be.....

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Re: Ruger American

Post by 3spop on Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:30 pm

I will say in my own personal experience, I have seen several gun and gunmakers get bad-mouthed on the internet that proved to be good quality guns. I recommend trying them out yourself. I will sometimes ask opinions, but I make the decision on my own. I imagine JMB, Savage, Sam Colt, Winchester, Garand, and all of those other innovators were looked down on by several people who at the time, thought the established guns were better. Gun snobs have probably been around as long as guns have.

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Re: Ruger American

Post by Joe S. on Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:39 pm

Well said you two. Garands were probably hated by 1903 fanatics. My dad likes garands but dont care much for the AR platform

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Re: Ruger American

Post by Joe S. on Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:24 pm

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=138615

$359 shipped

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Re: Ruger American

Post by onlymaroonmatters on Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:51 am

For the price I think it is a good rifle with nice features. When the 308 version comes in stock will be ordering one. Use the money saved for nice scope and ammo. And won't have to wait long to save more money for next things on my list.

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Re: Ruger American

Post by Vick on Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:24 am

I envision a fortune to be made on these in the secondary accessory market! big thumb up Decent looking stocks, metal magazine floorplates & trigger guards, etc. I like tubular actions in general because they have proved to be accurate thru the years, and the "satin" finish doesn't bother me, but I just can't abide that stock!

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