Testing the police?

Did the cop have the right to ask for ID, maybe so. But what did he arrest him for?

Good question. Is it against the law not to show your I.D. when ask by the police? It seems these officers did not like the idea of open carry.

Youtube is full of guys walking around open carrying and taping their run in with law enforcement. I agree If a officer wants to see my permit I'll gladly show him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUAyYbTHbdw&feature=relmfu

good post Tanker. This guy here looked to be at the same place and is an advocate for open carry. Will try to follow this. Open carry is a vague subject with carriers and LEO both.

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Kevin346 wrote:This crap just makes me upset. I am all for open carrying if that it what you want to do. I am all for the 2nd amendment. However, the laws of the land say that people who are convicted felons are not allowed to posses a firearm. How else do that police know if you are a felon or not unless they run your information? All he simply had to do was show his ID and the police probably would have left him alone. These people are just looking for attention and looking for a reason to sue someone. Funny how “law abiding citizens” say they are on the side of law enforcement and follow the laws, yet give the police a hard time when they simply ask for an ID. GET A LIFE.

I agree that he should just show his I.D. but do you really think a convicted felon is going to open carry. These officers knew these guys were not felons, they just don't like the open carry law. Myself, I would'nt open carry even if it was allowed in any state. Why would you want to draw attention to yourself.

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I saw this guy the other day while on duty. I have no problem with open carry, but this guy was drawing attention to himself at the counter and every time he moved the holster slid up and down (clipped on his pocket) as if it was about to fall out. This is what gives us a bad name.

Kevin346 wrote:This crap just makes me upset. I am all for open carrying if that it what you want to do. I am all for the 2nd amendment. However, the laws of the land say that people who are convicted felons are not allowed to posses a firearm. How else do that police know if you are a felon or not unless they run your information? All he simply had to do was show his ID and the police probably would have left him alone. These people are just looking for attention and looking for a reason to sue someone. Funny how “law abiding citizens” say they are on the side of law enforcement and follow the laws, yet give the police a hard time when they simply ask for an ID. GET A LIFE.

BINGO. How can I make that stand out further.If they can't ask to show ID, then maybe the THUGS will start open carry.I also understand if SHTF and Martial law is inacted, Then probably wouldn't open carry anyway. Open carry is not my thing anyway but have no problem with others doing so. I also assume everyone is carrying.
scott

This was in Wisconsin last year before there was a CC permit system, and OC was the only way to legally carry there. OC was not illegal, thus doing so in and of itself provides no RAS to ask for ID, and the courts agreed. These guys just won a $10,000 lawsuit against the Madison PD.


http://www.ammoland.com/2011/12/21/judgment-against-city-of-madison-wi-and-5-police-officers/

Show the ID, that's what it's for.

J.B.

Yes, show the ID.

"Papers, please"

miker84 wrote:It varies from state to state. There are laws know as "stop and identify" where you have to show your ID when driving. Wisconsin may be one of those states. I know NY is.

Outside of that, I believe the officer has to have reasonable suspicion to believe you're involved in criminal activity. Of course, you could refuse, get taken to court, and then have it thrown out anyway.

By the way, there's a Culvers next to the hotel I stay in @ Indianapolis. They have pretty good burgers. They call them "butter burgers" because they put butter in the ground beef.

Burgers, I don't want no stinking burgers. You get the breaded pork tender loin sandwich at Culvers. MMMM good!

sounds like he just wanted attention, and to push the envelope because he thought he could. Possible future lawsuit in the works as someone mentioned.

honestly....if you don't cooperate then you're going to be automatically guilty of something, because if you had nothing to hide then logic would suggest that you cooperate with the officer and show some ID.

If you want to OC then do so, you won't bother me, but don't make ALL gun owners/carriers look bad because you want to show your @$$ and get attention.

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jakeg823 wrote:...Possible future lawsuit in the works as someone mentioned....

The folks arrested won the lawsuit last month, and rightly so. There is no reason for LEOs to demand ID for sitting and eating a burger because they could have a previous felony, for the same reason that the Police cannot randomly stop drivers to make sure they have a drivers licence or randomly interrupt meals to make sure individuals don't have out warrants for their arrest with no RAS. The officers were clearly in the wrong.

That said, if you feel like saving hassle or making the cops feel better, show your ID. I probably would, depending on the situation. However, I'm surprised that so many are hinting that the LEOs should have been able to demand ID absent legitimate suspicion.

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