Re: Testing the police?

by TankerHC on Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:26 pm

Kevin346 wrote:
Q-Tip wrote:
jakeg823 wrote:...Possible future lawsuit in the works as someone mentioned....

The folks arrested won the lawsuit last month, and rightly so. There is no reason for LEOs to demand ID for sitting and eating a burger because they could have a previous felony, for the same reason that the Police cannot randomly stop drivers to make sure they have a drivers licence or randomly interrupt meals to make sure individuals don't have out warrants for their arrest with no RAS. The officers were clearly in the wrong.

That said, if you feel like saving hassle or making the cops feel better, show your ID. I probably would, depending on the situation. However, I'm surprised that so many are hinting that the LEOs should have been able to demand ID absent legitimate suspicion.

As I stated in my previous post on the Hispanic-American issue, just because someone looked like they were of Hispanic decent gave the officer “suspicion” that they may be here illegally and allowed that officer to stop him and have him prove he is here legally.

The Federal Government does not agree. Every state that has put in place any type of law allowing officers to check for legal status has been sued by the Federal Government and every time it has gone to court the Federal Government has won.

by jakeg823 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:29 pm

TankerHC wrote:
Kevin346 wrote:
Q-Tip wrote:
jakeg823 wrote:...Possible future lawsuit in the works as someone mentioned....

The folks arrested won the lawsuit last month, and rightly so. There is no reason for LEOs to demand ID for sitting and eating a burger because they could have a previous felony, for the same reason that the Police cannot randomly stop drivers to make sure they have a drivers licence or randomly interrupt meals to make sure individuals don't have out warrants for their arrest with no RAS. The officers were clearly in the wrong.

That said, if you feel like saving hassle or making the cops feel better, show your ID. I probably would, depending on the situation. However, I'm surprised that so many are hinting that the LEOs should have been able to demand ID absent legitimate suspicion.

As I stated in my previous post on the Hispanic-American issue, just because someone looked like they were of Hispanic decent gave the officer “suspicion” that they may be here illegally and allowed that officer to stop him and have him prove he is here legally.

The Federal Government does not agree. Every state that has put in place any type of law allowing officers to check for legal status has been sued by the Federal Government and every time it has gone to court the Federal Government has won.

Yep. No different in this case. I agree with Q-tip that the officers were in the wrong to even ask, let alone take him to jail for it, BUT the man was a fool and obviously just acting an @$$ and wanting attention for himself and/or his organization you saw in the video. I can't say that I wouldn't have acted the same if I were in the cops shoes, at least as far as making the arrest goes, since refusing to cooperate would give mete understanding that you clearly have something to hide.

by quigleysharps4570 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:48 pm

Q-Tip wrote:I'm surprised that so many are hinting that the LEOs should have been able to demand ID absent legitimate suspicion.

Birds of a feather flock together.

by Shooter on Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:05 pm

Kevin346 wrote:Example, the recent issue in Alabama were police officers were allowed to question anyone who looked like they were of Hispanic descent and then made them prove they were American citizens. How could you do this? Things such as simply showing a government issued ID to show that you were in this country legally will solve all your problems...So if police officer is driving down the street and sees a Hispanic man and stops them and asks for his ID, and the man refuses to show his ID, he gets arrested. But for people who this law does not affect they are perfectly okay with that. Those people will say "all you had to do was show your ID and the officer would have left you alone."

Kevin, I have to call BS on this. You evidently haven't read the law. The law states they can ask for proof of citizenship only during a legal stop or arrest. NOT as you stated if they think you look hispanic. The Mods have been very clear before that LEO bashing isn't allowed on this forum. Keep it truthful or keep quiet.

by Kevin346 on Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:07 am

removed

by g2072 on Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:21 am

I don't think the police have the right to demand a ID but if you have nothing to hide why bother with the hassle. I'll show them my permit and be on my way while they sit around waiting on the lawyer to show up. There is enough trouble out there waiting to happen without going out looking for it.

by Kevin346 on Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:04 am

After researching this issue more, I can see now where everyone is coming with this. I looked up the laws and court cases that has to deal with this issue and now see it from a different perspective. I was mistaken, misinformed, and jumped in without doing the proper research. It won’t happen again.

by Shooter on Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:06 am

Kevin346 wrote:After researching this issue more, I can see now where everyone is coming with this. I looked up the laws and court cases that has to deal with this issue and now see it from a different perspective. I was mistaken, misinformed, and jumped in without doing the proper research. It won’t happen again.

You just increased your cedibility with me and quite probably others with this post. I've been called to task before and it was usually because I repeated something without verifying it first. If I do so again, I hope you will point it out to me.

by miker84 on Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:00 am

Shooter wrote:
Kevin346 wrote:After researching this issue more, I can see now where everyone is coming with this. I looked up the laws and court cases that has to deal with this issue and now see it from a different perspective. I was mistaken, misinformed, and jumped in without doing the proper research. It won’t happen again.

You just increased your cedibility with me and quite probably others with this post. I've been called to task before and it was usually because I repeated something without verifying it first. If I do so again, I hope you will point it out to me.

We've all done it. As it turns out, many of us are opinionated. Lol