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Post by Beladran on Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:34 am

i have been looking a 627 8 shot to play around in uspsa with. i have been wanting a 5inch but boy they are proud of those! I have found a 4inch for about $300 less and am thinking about getting it. would i bet at a considerable disadvantage with the 4 vs the 5?

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Myers on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:01 am

No don't think you would, but the 8 shot guns aren't legal for revolver division. Only production.

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Beladran on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:03 am

thats what i thought

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Myers on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:06 am

686 and 625 JM are popular revo division guns.

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Beladran on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:10 am

for some reason i thought moon clips were not allowed in revo division...

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Myers on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:34 am

Nope. Perfectly legal. Jerry miculek won revo nationals with a moonclip 625 JM and Julie Golob won highlady with the same gun.

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by DBChaffin on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:37 am

Myers wrote:No don't think you would, but the 8 shot guns aren't legal for revolver division. Only production.

I hate to split hairs here, but in the interest of full disclosure technically 8 shot guns are legal for Revolver division as there is no maximum ammunition capactily in the division. However, and this is what Myers was alluding too, only 6 rounds can be fired before a reload. See page 84, here: http://www.uspsa.org/rules/2010HandgunRulesProof3web.pdf

The late Tim Lott won the MS State Championship on more than one occasion with an 8-shot revolver, counting and reloading with 2 shots left each time. One year he did forget though and fired a 7th round after a miss on a piece of steel and he was bumped to Open because of it. He could have shot Production if he had signed up for it and shot 8 rounds before reloading as much as he wanted, but the way the rules are written if for some reason you don't meet the requirements of your chosen division you are bumped to Open unless you don't meet the requirements for Open either in which case you shoot for no score.

Back to the original thread, 4" is not a big disadvantage although 5" is probably preferred. S&W 625 is easily the most common revolver in the division these days, with a good Model 25 (blued predecessor to the stainless 625) also being a good choice. The Performance Center and Jerry Miculek 625's available now are both 4" for some reason. I'm not even sure they offer a 5" currently. The 610 (10mm/.40) is less common but can be competitive. I think one of these is the only non-625 that has been top 5 at the Nationals the last few years.

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Myers on Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:52 am

Maybe I should modify my statement then. "8 shot revolvers aren't as practical or nearly as efficient as a 6 shot because of the way the rules are written for revolver division". Splitting hairs is nothing less than what I would expect from a lawyer lol Very Happy

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Post by DBChaffin on Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:28 pm

Myers wrote:Maybe I should modify my statement then. "8 shot revolvers aren't as practical or nearly as efficient as a 6 shot because of the way the rules are written for revolver division". Splitting hairs is nothing less than what I would expect from a lawyer lol Very Happy

Now I would agree with all of that! Ha.

Back to barrel length, I believe IDPA decided to set a barrel length limit of 4" and a lot of folks have switched so they can shoot the same gun in both sports.

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Beladran on Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:47 pm

Well I made the leap I went 4 inch. I've got enough trigger time in with action pistol revo shooting that in sure I can blow the A zone out of each target..
I just gotta keep in mind that a fast C is better than a slow A sometimes
I have an idea for making a moon clip carrier to but that's for another thread

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by DBChaffin on Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:04 pm

I am sure you won't have any problem with the 4".

In Revolver the hitfactors are generally a good bit lower due to the extra reloading involved. This tends to put a bit more of a premium on points than in the other divisions. For example, at last year's Nats Jerry M's hitfactors (or points divided by time) ranged from as high as in the 6's to as low as the upper 2's. Similarly, revolver hitfactors at the last Byram matches varied from roughly a low of 1.4 to a high of about 5.3.

At a hitfactor of 2, that is literally an average of 2 points per second so as long as the A can be shot (assuming Major) in 1/2 second or less longer than it took to shoot the C, it is better. In most cases it shouldn't take an extra 1/2 second to shoot an A over a C, although there are times where it might such as a partial target at longer range. Even at a 4 hitfactor, the one point difference between an A and a C is worth 1/4 second, which is a decent amount of time on most shots.

As for the moon clip holders, a lot of competitors use these: http://www.speed-e-rack.com/

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Beladran on Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:17 pm

My rack is going to blow that one out of the water

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by DBChaffin on Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:51 pm

I don't think I have ever seen one of these in use in person, but one was featured in the USPSA magazine "Front Sight" some time back. It's supposedly patented and pretty clever:

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Beladran on Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:58 pm

Omg!!!! That is my idea exactly!!!!! Crap

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Xd357 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:13 pm

Beladran wrote:Omg!!!! That is my idea exactly!!!!! Crap


day late and a dollar short!!!

lol

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Beladran on Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:17 pm

screw it im still gonna build it! lol

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Vermilion on Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:56 am

I've picked up a 686 SSR to get into USPSA revolver. Probably need a couple more speedloaders but I'm hoping 6 plus what's in the gun is enough. Just waiting for my Bladetech DOH to arrive. I probably should have bought a 610 but I don't yet reload so cheap 38s in Minor will have to work.

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Cliff Cargill on Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:09 am

You can shoot ICORE with that rig as well. We have match at the Magnolia Rifle & Pistol club this Saturday.

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Re: uspsa revo question

Post by Vermilion on Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:29 am

Yea I plan to shoot at Magnolia but not quite ready yet.

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