Church carry revisited

A while back we had a lenghthy discussion about carrying in church, at the time there was no provision for it to be legal. Several of us gave our thoughts on how that should be changed. Now that HB506 is law would like to hear your views on the subject.

Google church shootings and then tell me whether or not you should carry there. Church is a place where many are most at ease. When we're at ease we let our guard down more and believe there's no need for a gun in church. Kind of like saying there's no need for a gun at the toy store. It can happen anywhere.

Consealed means Consealed

The preacher at our church fully supports church carry. Only the totally nieve or completely stupid would think the unlocked doors of any building would provide a safe haven from those intent on harming others. Being in a place of worship doesn't require us to transform ourselves into victims.

kowen1971 wrote:Being in a place of worship doesn't require us to transform ourselves into victims.

The law currently says that you do.

Well thats why I got my permit in the first place. Not that I think its right to require the permit to protect yourself but until the law changes, thats how it is...

Dock Rocker wrote:

kowen1971 wrote:Being in a place of worship doesn't require us to transform ourselves into victims.

The law currently says that you do.

With the endorsement that's no longer an issue.

My fiance's dad is a youth minister and he was excited to learn about HB506 allowing church carry with the endorsement. I finally got him to go apply for the regular permit last week. In march after my fiancé is 21 we both plan on taking the course for the endorsement, so I'll probably try to talk him into just going with us

This is one of the main reasons I got my IC sticker, spend more time there than anywhere else 506 deals with. Also with LA. having a provision for church carry (With additional training) does anyone know if they accept our IC permitt for that purpose?

I know a preacher that is 100% for it...100%...150%. That preacher is ME.

BigMikeFromOlemiss wrote:I know a preacher that is 100% for it...100%...150%. That preacher is ME.

Have you ran into people with the mindset that as a minister, you should be at the mercy of anyone who would do you harm, or just trust God? Or the idea that weapons should not be brought into a house of worship? How would you show how these ideas are based on emotion and not Biblical principals or logic?

Reviewing the prohibitions in Section 13, MS Code 45-9-101, the one I’ve been most concerned with is: “church or other place of worship”.

I want to be able to legally carry in church.

By the way, the Baptist Record has been running a series on Church Security.

The Jan 5, 2012, issue contained the 5th in a seven part series, “Church Security”. This particular part was titled, “Firearms in church bring comfort, alarm”, obviously having to do with carrying in church. Unfortunately the author sort of soft-peddled it.

The series is authored by Chester A Quarles, professor emeritus of criminal justice at the
University of Mississippi in Oxford and co-author of the book, “Crime Prevention for
Houses of Worship”. He may be contacted at cquarles@olemiss.edu.

Ed

Ironworker wrote:

BigMikeFromOlemiss wrote:I know a preacher that is 100% for it...100%...150%. That preacher is ME.

Have you ran into people with the mindset that as a minister, you should be at the mercy of anyone who would do you harm, or just trust God? Or the idea that weapons should not be brought into a house of worship? How would you show how these ideas are based on emotion and not Biblical principals or logic?

No, but those people exist. Most of the people that I have encountered that are against it are people whose conform level button is pushed. If they go into some emotion argument, that is easily countered. Just this past Sunday night I taught about the biblical principles of selfdefense. I gave some of the pacifist verses that people try to use and showed how those verses are often used out of context. In seminary, after the Illinois church shooing, the church security issue came up. I told my prof that the thing people would have to most worry about is friendly fire at my church. I got some looks lol. My motto is, "The church that shoots together creates interlocking fields of fire."

My preacher just came back from a year if mission work as a US soldier in Iraq. He feels like guns in church are a great idea. I am there to worship not become a victim.

[quote="BigMikeFromOlemiss] My motto is, "The church that shoots together creates interlocking fields of fire." [/quote]



i like it!!

church carry was the top reason i got my ic sticker.

jakeg823 wrote:With the endorsement that's no longer an issue.

Not true. Why can't churches have the same rights as businesses and make the decision for themslves? HB506 is not a solution. It's another problem. Just muddys the waters more and costs people more to exercise their rights.

JT wrote:

jakeg823 wrote:With the endorsement that's no longer an issue.

Not true. Why can't churches have the same rights as businesses and make the decision for themslves? HB506 is not a solution. It's another problem. Just muddys the waters more and costs people more to exercise their rights.

I agree that they SHOULD, being it is do now know of other private property where you cannot give permission to whom you chose. However as it stands now HB506 made an avenue to carry legally where there was none before.

I'm totally for being able to carry in Church. I have an officer friend that lives in Portland Oregon and they had a church shooting up there. He now has implemented a Church security team for such possible issues.

My pastor is all for it. Was glad to hear with the new endorsement you could carry in church.

bigmikefromolemiss give us some verses that support self defense. Its been a long time since I have heard a sermon about this. I was raised under the turn the other cheek verse until one of our priests told the true meaning of that phrase. That was the only time I heard of being a warrior for christ and fighting the devil with all your weapons. He has preached all over the world in conflicted areas and
I'm quite sure he is a deer hunter and gun enthusiast.

I am a pastor. The church is a place of worship. It is also a place where lawful citizens of the State of Mississippi work. Often, the work involves the handling of money. At times, people will come to the church requesting financial assistance. In my 22 years of ministry, there have been occasions wherein a person who was apparently drunk or high would become belligerent with a staff member, and I have had to drag them out of the building to protect my staff, never knowing what kind of weapon they might draw. My father, now a retired pastor, had two occasions to look down the barrel of pistol while sitting in his office. Thankfully, each time he was able to talk an insane person out of their weapon. Once, he walked into his office only to be greeted by a man strung out on PCP wearing brass knuckles. He survived the attack but not without serious injury.

I'm thankful that under HB506, I and other workers in the church, can legally defend ourselves in our place of business. However, I believe the State is placing an unnecessary burden upon the Church that is not heaped upon other workplaces. The Church should have the freedom to determine for itself security policies and procedures. As it stands, it seems to me that the State has infringed not only on our Second Amendment but First Amendment rights.

Imagine if the State of Mississippi were the governing authority in Nehemiah's day. The State would have said, "You can carry a trowel in one hand, but the sword will require a permit and training." (See Nehemiah Chapter Four)