What was Haley Barbour thinking?

bubbat wrote:

PhillipM wrote:He pardoned KAREN IRBY? WTH?

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20120110/NEWS/120110020/Irby-among-those-Barbour-s-clemency-list?odyssey=mod%7Cbreaking%7Ctext%7CHome

He didn't pardon her, he granted her clemency, "Conditional Clemency on Condition That She Serves 3 Years in MDOC Intensive Supervision
Program (House Arrest) and Additional 2 Years Under Supervision of MDOC Community Corrections Division"

I know of somebody who currently lives in that same situation. He goes to work every day and after work he does whatever he wants to do. He was crossing the state line into the next state recently.

I think they do drug tests on him occasionally.

Here is a complete list of Barbour's pardons:

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/v3/images/documents/Barbour_Pardons.pdf

This is what I wondered about:

Gov. Ronnie Musgrove granted an unconditional pardon to only one person. He granted 25 suspended sentences or restorations of civil rights, which reinstates the right to vote to felony offenders.

Former Gov. Kirk Fordice pardoned 13, and granted suspended sentences or restorations of civil rights to 26 more.

Former Gov. Ray Mabus pardoned five, and granted 68 suspended sentences or restorations of civil rights, although he later revoked those rights from 11.

And former Gov. Bill Allain granted no pardons at all, but granted restorations of civil rights to 28.

I see it "pays" to work in the Gov Mansion...message here Mom's and Dad's with kids in Parchman....get your son a gig working in the Gov mansion

Unfortunately - people often only remember the last things you do...and only the dumb and bad thinks...

Haley really blew it on this one...Kinda glad to see him go...but so what if He is overweight....

Our skinny one's aint done so hot either...

Ya'll quit picking on the weight challenged

NRA_guy wrote:Here is a complete list of Barbour's pardons:

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/v3/images/documents/Barbour_Pardons.pdf

I posted a link to this yesterday some time. I Counted 38 convicted of murder, homicide, manslaughter and/or DUI homicide. And that's not even including the sex offenders.

I know all governors/presidents pardon folks and I'm ok with that(to an extent), but there needs to be limits, if not just an ethical guideline of who can be pardoned and how many can be pardoned. Barbour crossed the line on both accounts because he pardoned way too many, and too many of those were convicted of murder(as a general term here), or sex crimes. There are something's you just don't mess with and that's 2 of them in my mind.

Remember the poop storm when bill Clinton pardoned his brother? Big stink over that. I never heard of any GWB pardoned, partly because so many folks thought they had bigger reasons to hate him by then.

Wow.. and here I really thought I was utterly alone in distaste for Barbour. I did not vote for him, and I never liked him, but I certainly felt alone in that position. I am extremely sickend that he took the ability to pardon to such extremes. I feel for the victims and the familys of the victims. But I also hate that the State of MS now has to suffer yet again the indignity of being singled out for the extreme action of this man. Well, so much for Barbour being remembered for Katrina... he will now be renknowned for his last day pardons of nearly 300 convicts. Is it too late to rename the building named for him?

Same here pinetor I always said I never liked him and he was bat sh!t crazy and no one ever understood why I felt that way or defended him.

Hate it but I was right.

Just be glad he didn't have a serious run for the presidency.....Mississippi really would have looked good then!!!

I can't believe I'm siding with Jim Hood over Haley but I guess stranger things have happened.

From Supertalk Mississippi's Facebook

Atty Gen Jim Hood announce he is filing an injunction to stop release of any more criminals pardoned by FORMER Governor Haley Barbour...

Yep. Jim the Hood smells blood..er political blood that is. I have always liked Haley Barbour, think he did a great job under tough times, but I don,t agree with any of this. Period.
scott

mascott wrote:Yep. Jim the Hood smells blood..er political blood that is. I have always liked Haley Barbour, think he did a great job under tough times, but I don,t agree with any of this. Period.
scott

I have always liked Haley too. I have no problem with him pardoning people already out of jail,they have done their time. Have heard alot the 200 he pardoned were already out and some are even dead, but don't agree at all at letting out murders and child molesters early. Nope, no, hell no!

I keep hoping I Inhaled too much bore cleaner last night and all this is a bad dream.

Here is Barbour's statement:
http://www.wdam.com/story/16501321/former-gov-barbour-issues-statement-regarding

He mentions pardoning for gainful employment, and hunting. I'm of the opinion that a murderer has no reason to have that right(2A) back since they obviously(in a lot of cases at least) couldn't handle it the first time!

Just caught the tail end of the report: AG Hood, longtime Barbour nemesis, has "discovered" that a number of the pardons don't meet the Mississippi constitutional requirements, and has filed motions to stop additional releases and review those cases already adjudicated (ie those already set loose). Stay tuned...

I can see this costing the we the tax payers a lot of money. Come tom. everyone that was pardoned will have a lawyer filing petitions to the court. While I don't agree with most of the pardons I can see through the smoke. Jim Hood is playing for political gain and unless something has changed the Judicial Branch can not override the Executive Branch. That is why Jim Hood is attacking the few pardons that was not done correctly. BTW I think we all knew what Judge Greens decision was before the news reported it - after all she is the one that sentenced Irby and gave her that long lecture that she wrote herself.

I would like to think that Judge Green is an impartial judge,,,,But I know better. I would also like to think that Jim the Hood is not doing this for some type of political gain,but again I know better.

My Brother called and said that WLBT was reporting that 90% of those pardoned were either already released after serving their time, or were dead. I don't know this to be true, but can't see him lying about it.
scott

mascott wrote:I would like to think that Judge Green is an impartial judge,,,,But I know better. I would also like to think that Jim the Hood is not doing this for some type of political gain,but again I know better.

My Brother called and said that WLBT was reporting that 90% of those pardoned were either already released after serving their time, or were dead. I don't know this to be true, but can't see him lying about it.
scott

On national news (CNN) Jim Hood said that the Mississippi Constitution requires 30 day public notice on such pardons and most of these did not get it.

It is not clear if previous governors' pardons were held to that standard or not.

PS: If 90% are out already, that leaves 10% who are not. And I am not sure serving your time is justification for a pardon. Otherwise why doesn't everybody get a pardon when they get out?

A pardon would wipe the book for someone who commits a subsequent crime after the pardon. It would eliminate the "repeat offender" and "3 strikes" issue.

I wonder what he got out of it? Gatlin was working at the mansion so who knows! Haley might as well have spit in the face of the family's. What about the men who were exicuted wile he was Gov.? Guess they didn't get a chance to work at the mansion huh!? This what I'll remember him for.

J.B.

If I were ever chosen for jury duty, I'd have to ask myself, "What's the point? Some scum bag politician will just turn em loose later."

Leopardcurdog wrote:If I were ever chosen for jury duty, I'd have to ask myself, "What's the point? Some scum bag politician will just turn em loose later."

Then let 'em, but do your duty and hope they don't.

J.B.

I completely disagree with all the pardons. I would like to know the real reason he did it. I can't believe it was for money. I've always heard that the big tobacco companies made haley a multi, multi millionaire several times over. Politicians=scum

On the death Penalty, we need to take note of how they do it in Russia.

When convicted, the 3 judge panel (not a jury) exits the courtroom after the conviction is brought down. Another 3 judge panel enters the courtroom and the appeal started immediately. If the appeal fails the prisoner is shot 3 days later. That might be a little too quick but some of our lawyers are making a living on the drawn out death penalty cases.

We have all been told about how the non-paying, poor prisoner's public defenders get low fees for their work. I was an expert witness for a firearms case and the man was being defended by a lawyer being paid by the State. I kept track of my time for research and I was paid $70 per hour for my time. I don't know what the lawyer got. This was in 1984.

Doug