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Post by TankerHC on Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:41 pm

Was just watching an episode where they bought an Bushmaster M4 Patrolman. Their self proclaimed gun expert charged them $1500. For 1500 he added a forward grip, steel charging handle, trijicon, light and side mounted sling rings. Then he tells them they can get up to $3000 for it. I know very little about M4's except what I have been researching the past couple of months and I dont see it. I might be wrong and am sure someone here will correct me if I am.

Should Note: The trijicon was an ACOG. But like someone else noted, you can put $5000 wheels on a Datsun B210 but its still a Datsun B210.

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Re: Cajun Pawn Stars M4 (Ridiculous?)

Post by mascott on Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:53 pm

I've been to that pawn shop many times back about a decade ago.I never was very impressed with the guy or the shop.
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Re: Cajun Pawn Stars M4 (Ridiculous?)

Post by jakeg823 on Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:32 pm

The acog is a $1000-1500(maybe more) optic when new, depending on the model

But no bushmaster is worth that.....not when you can buy a colt for a grand nowadays, not to mention all the other milspec brands for a few hundred or so more.

Nothing wrong with a Bushy, my only current AR is a DPMS which is on the same level, but there is no way I'd pay anywhere near that no matter how much bull they hang on it

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Re: Cajun Pawn Stars M4 (Ridiculous?)

Post by TankerHC on Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:24 pm

jakeg823 wrote:The acog is a $1000-1500(maybe more) optic when new, depending on the model

But no bushmaster is worth that.....not when you can buy a colt for a grand nowadays, not to mention all the other milspec brands for a few hundred or so more.

Nothing wrong with a Bushy, my only current AR is a DPMS which is on the same level, but there is no way I'd pay anywhere near that no matter how much bull they hang on it


When the ACOG was mentioned, I looked it up online. Found one model new for $789. And 2A Firearms has one for $839.

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Re: Cajun Pawn Stars M4 (Ridiculous?)

Post by jakeg823 on Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:57 pm

True I forgot about there being a couple slightly cheaper models.

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Post by BigDaddyQ on Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:26 pm

Yeah the reason they can say BS like that on TV is because the people filming them have no clue. I am under the impression you'd get more money parting one out than selling whole with all that stuff already on it.

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Post by fastarrow on Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:27 pm

What chaps my hide is when they lowball the Guy because of all the mods they want to do to it. Now the sellers starting price was higher than a elephants rump. But what you want to do after the deal is irrelevant to me.

Heck, maybe I'll try that next time I negotiate a deal with my local gun shop!
I'll probably get thrown out one my arse.

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Post by Myers on Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:30 pm

He put quality stuff on it. Ta01 acog is about 1200$, knights rail is about 400 retail, surefire is about 300$ retail. It's still a bushmaster though.

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Post by newto228 on Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:30 pm

It's on right now and the guy did basic stuff, ACOG, handguard with rails and put a 120 lumen light on it, steel charging handle, ambidextrous safety and sling mounts. Same pistol grip, same buttstock. If the shop doesn't have a gun guy who could of done that, I would be ashamed to work there. What a joke.

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Post by usssaump on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:08 pm

When they offer him $300.00 for it I stop watching and stop recording, the show is a joke. The TRG from last week was the other reason. The show is a joke. I love the original pawn stars.

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Post by yroc on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:08 pm

Myers wrote:He put quality stuff on it. Ta01 acog is about 1200$, knights rail is about 400 retail, surefire is about 300$ retail. It's still a bushmaster though.


Whats wrong with Bushmaster?

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Post by usssaump on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:11 pm

evil gun Nothing wrong with it, they are not bring that money with the extras. They are going to make it where i can not get them for $500.00 any more.

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Re: Cajun Pawn Stars M4 (Ridiculous?)

Post by jakeg823 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:03 am

yroc wrote:
Myers wrote:He put quality stuff on it. Ta01 acog is about 1200$, knights rail is about 400 retail, surefire is about 300$ retail. It's still a bushmaster though.


Whats wrong with Bushmaster?


Nothing wrong with Bushmaster, but its not worth what they seem to think it is just the same. Bushmaster has been working its way to the bottom of the AR food chain over the past few years. A lot of folks are AR snobs(I know crazy right!?) and think if it doesn't say DD, Noveske, LMT, or Colt on it then its automatically trash....I will admit folks get far too caught up in the MilSpec craze. Sometimes there is a huge quality difference, sometimes there isn't.

Like I said, I have nothing against Bushmasters, but I can almost guarantee you a milspec purist on something like ar15.com would tell you that "you can polish a turd, but its still a turd."


My younger brother just bought an LMT(Lewis Machine and Tool) last week. Its a nice gun, and its built like an effing tank, and the Pmags drop free, so thats nice......but for what he paid for it(nearly a $2k gun), its not much nicer than most $8 or 900 ARs. Semi-auto bolt carrier('standard" FA and SA are listed for the same price on their website), 1 magazine, standard ugly flat trigger guard that almost everyone replaces now anyway, very heavy trigger, the SOPMOD stock is a joke(the battery compartments fall out after about 10 rounds of shooting), and it may be designed to do so, but when popping a full mag on the bottom to seat completely with a closed bolt the dust cover pops open(again that may be a design, and its not necessarily a bad thing, just strange to me).....and these are things of course that can be changed and fixed, but if i'm going to spend $2k on a gun then it had sure nuff better come decked out! Its a nice gun and well built....but not worth what he paid IMO, so whenever I get ready to upgrade to a higher end rifle I'll probably look elsewhere.

But like I said earlier, why in the world would you buy a Bushmaster, DPMS or other $800 range gun that is not going to be Milspec, when you honestly could go buy a Colt(which is milspec) for about $1k??? It doesnt make sense....at least not to me. Now a few years ago during the Obama panic, when there were fewer available milspec rifles and their prices were sky high? I could see it then....thats how I wound up with a DPMS, and even though its been a reliable gun it doesn't live up to what I know the ARs potential is, so i'm stuck with about a 5" group at 50 yds until I either trade it off or upgrade the barrel. Its reliable though, which is what matters most to me.

Example of Colt in $1k price range:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=270551328
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=270600285

as far as decking out a cheaper AR like the Bushy, one of my favorite things about the AR platform is that you can take almost any part off of one AR and put it on another one....so when you buy a Olympic, DPMS, Bushy or one of the other "undesirables" and decide to upgrade, you can still take the same parts that you like so much off of those and put them on the next rifle. Example would be my DPMS, I've got way more money in parts than its worth between the Magpul stock set, the Trijicon Reflex and Midwest Industries sights....but whenever I upgrade to a Milspec gun, or just build my next one, all I have to do is take that stuff off and transplant it to the new gun, and replace the stock parts on my DPMS, and really the only part that wouldn't be a perfect fit on a Milspec gun would be the MOE stock because its commercial size not milspec.


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Re: Cajun Pawn Stars M4 (Ridiculous?)

Post by newto228 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:12 am

Man, I have been a big Pawn Stars fan for a while now. And I just so happen to be Cajun. The guy on Cajun Pawn Stars: 1. Aren't Cajun and 2. Are the cheapest guys I have ever seen. And I have been known to throw around some strong lowballs. These buys in Alexandria make the original Pawn Star guys look like saints throwing money at people. I have seen the Vegas crew offer more than what the customer asked because an item was worth more, I bet a dollar to a donut you would never see that with these "Cajun" clowns.

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Post by TankerHC on Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:42 am

The Pawn Stars crew are some pretty cheap too. I have seen a lot of people get screwed on that show. Two in particular recently. Some guy brought in a print. It was some kind of macabre hell thing by a 17th Century painter who was considered THE master of that genre. It was a 1st printing. I think the guy wanted $12,000. Rick got him down to $5000 telling him he knew what it was worth and he might get 7 out of it and all the other BS he throws out there. The guy sold it for $5000 and Rick said he hit a home run. He took it to an art dealer, it was worth $40,000 to $60,000. Im sure Rick got back in touch with the guy to give him some more money.

One that really got me was one I watched tonight. Les Pauls nephew came in with Mary Fords Gibson SG. I play guitar and I knew that guitar was worth more than $125,000 right off the bat because a first year Les Paul sold last year for $125,000 without even going to auction. Well the guy had all kinds of Les Paul's paperwork too, contracts, letters Paul wrote about possibly not contracting with Gibson and some other stuff. The letters, signatures and guitars were 100% authentic. Ricks signature guy said the signatures could be worth 10's and 10's of thousands and his guitar guy said the SG was worth at least $150,000. Im on Gruhns site all the time and see what people sell their vintage guitars for, that guitar would probably have gone for more than $150,000. I will say the guy didnt negotiate very well but $82,000 for the whole package was ridiculously low.

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Re: Cajun Pawn Stars M4 (Ridiculous?)

Post by PhillipM on Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:42 am

jakeg823 wrote:
yroc wrote:
Myers wrote:He put quality stuff on it. Ta01 acog is about 1200$, knights rail is about 400 retail, surefire is about 300$ retail. It's still a bushmaster though.


Whats wrong with Bushmaster?


Nothing wrong with Bushmaster, but its not worth what they seem to think it is just the same. Bushmaster has been working its way to the bottom of the AR food chain over the past few years. A lot of folks are AR snobs(I know crazy right!?) and think if it doesn't say DD, Noveske, LMT, or Colt on it then its automatically trash....I will admit folks get far too caught up in the MilSpec craze. Sometimes there is a huge quality difference, sometimes there isn't.

Like I said, I have nothing against Bushmasters, but I can almost guarantee you a milspec purist on something like ar15.com would tell you that "you can polish a turd, but its still a turd."


My younger brother just bought an LMT(Lewis Machine and Tool) last week. Its a nice gun, and its built like an effing tank, and the Pmags drop free, so thats nice......but for what he paid for it(nearly a $2k gun), its not much nicer than most $8 or 900 ARs. Semi-auto bolt carrier('standard" FA and SA are listed for the same price on their website), 1 magazine, standard ugly flat trigger guard that almost everyone replaces now anyway, very heavy trigger, the SOPMOD stock is a joke(the battery compartments fall out after about 10 rounds of shooting), and it may be designed to do so, but when popping a full mag on the bottom to seat completely with a closed bolt the dust cover pops open(again that may be a design, and its not necessarily a bad thing, just strange to me).....and these are things of course that can be changed and fixed, but if i'm going to spend $2k on a gun then it had sure nuff better come decked out! Its a nice gun and well built....but not worth what he paid IMO, so whenever I get ready to upgrade to a higher end rifle I'll probably look elsewhere.

But like I said earlier, why in the world would you buy a Bushmaster, DPMS or other $800 range gun that is not going to be Milspec, when you honestly could go buy a Colt(which is milspec) for about $1k??? It doesnt make sense....at least not to me. Now a few years ago during the Obama panic, when there were fewer available milspec rifles and their prices were sky high? I could see it then....thats how I wound up with a DPMS, and even though its been a reliable gun it doesn't live up to what I know the ARs potential is, so i'm stuck with about a 5" group at 50 yds until I either trade it off or upgrade the barrel. Its reliable though, which is what matters most to me.

Example of Colt in $1k price range:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=270551328
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=270600285

as far as decking out a cheaper AR like the Bushy, one of my favorite things about the AR platform is that you can take almost any part off of one AR and put it on another one....so when you buy a Olympic, DPMS, Bushy or one of the other "undesirables" and decide to upgrade, you can still take the same parts that you like so much off of those and put them on the next rifle. Example would be my DPMS, I've got way more money in parts than its worth between the Magpul stock set, the Trijicon Reflex and Midwest Industries sights....but whenever I upgrade to a Milspec gun, or just build my next one, all I have to do is take that stuff off and transplant it to the new gun, and replace the stock parts on my DPMS, and really the only part that wouldn't be a perfect fit on a Milspec gun would be the MOE stock because its commercial size not milspec.


In National Match Competition the Colt is inferior due to the trigger pins, the block, and the takedown pins. By the time you by an overpriced Colt NM you have to add a good two stage competition trigger and then rebuild the upper with a proper float tube, and move the sling swivel you have spent about 1.5x the cost of a competitive Rock River out of the box. That's a lot of money for a horsey on the receiver, my snake looks just as good to me!

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Post by cottonmouth on Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:32 am

The people on these new shows are as full of it as a Christmas turkey!

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Post by newto228 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:23 am

The Vegas Pawn Stars crew will usually give you half of what your stuff is worth, the "Cajun" crew is being generous to give you a third of what it's worth.

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Post by BigDaddyQ on Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:38 am

I have to ask the definition of milspec. If I'm not mistaken when I bought my first AR Bushmaster and Olympic both had military contracts and of the 2 Bushmaster was the more sought after of the 2.

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Post by PhillipM on Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:41 am

Time value of money.

People who sell stuff to a pawn shop generally need or want cash in a hurry. The pawn shop fills that niche but charges them for the convenience. The shop has to sell the item at market rate as the one who pawned it could have had they taken the time and trouble to market the it. If someone sells something to a pawn shop and thinks they are going to get what it's worth on the retail market, they are nuts or don't understand economics. The same deal applies to used guns at a gun shop. Class over. Smile

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