Re: What is the best "Wonder Nine?"

by TankerHC on Tue 7 Feb 2012 - 13:55

bubbat wrote:
TankerHC wrote:I picked the Beretta 92 SB-F =M9)

Reasons:
Its a full size 9
It's reliable
It beat all comers in the Army's grueling tests for a new sidearm.
When it finally came to the final two (The M9 and the Sig P-226) the Berreta beat the Sig hands down.
I carried and qualified with one for 11 years.

One thing is the frame is aluminum and doesnt have anywhere near the service life of the 1911 so the military retires a lot of them early, wonder where all those M9's are going?

Should also note that the only other one on the list I have experience with is the CZ75, I bought one in Germany. So my answer is not very qualified.

Everything I have ever read on the selection process, the only reason the Army went with the Beretta 92 was it cost less than the Sig, not that the it beat it hands down in the competition.

Berreta underbid Sig by exactly 1 dollar. I doubt the Army/AF testers made their decision based on a $300,000 savings.

by **bubbat** on Tue 7 Feb 2012 - 14:19

Looking a little further into it, the higher cost of repair parts for the SIGs was what swayed the decision to go with the Beretta, from all accounts of the test results the SIG and Beretta ended in a tie. The base cost and cost of repair parts were why they went with the 92 thumbs up

by TankerHC on Tue 7 Feb 2012 - 14:21

bubbat wrote:Looking a little further into it, the higher cost fo repair parts for the SIGs was what swayed the decision to go with the Beretta, from all accounts of the test results the SIG and Beretta ended in a tie. The base cost and cost of repair parts were what sway the toward the 92

Couple of other factors. Berreta was willing to make changes to metal and manufacturing techniques and to build a plant in the U.S. specifically to produce the M9.

by **bubbat** on Tue 7 Feb 2012 - 14:23

And also factoring into it was the fact the U.S. was trying to get missile bases in Itlay at the same time.

by Tree of Liberty on Tue 7 Feb 2012 - 19:15

Glock 17 has taken the lead

by 9'd up on Tue 7 Feb 2012 - 20:34

Tree of Liberty wrote:Glock 17 has taken the lead

I don't care what anybody says it's always hard to argue against glocks. They shoot.

The CZ's are fine nines as well.

My vote is for the springfield xdm. Lightweight polymer, extremely accurate, high capacity, included grip options, more subconscious safeties than a glock and still just as quick to ready. Grip fits my hand plenty good, not as good as some others but still a plenty good enough fit. It's just a well thought gun that took a glock and made it better... and yes it costs more than a glock but it's easily worth it and the xdm still costs less than most of the options in the poll

by Tree of Liberty on Wed 8 Feb 2012 - 20:17

Looks like Sig finished on top with Glock one vote behind

by Jarhead5811 on Wed 8 Feb 2012 - 20:28

Now keep in mind I carry a Ruger LCP, Glock 27 or Glock 22, depending on the circumstances. In spite of that, I voted for the Beretta because I qualified with one every quarter for seven years and never had a jam but I have had a Glock jam on me. Granted the Glock choked on a hollow point and 99.99% of what I've put through a 92/M9 has been hardball. But the Bereta feels like a Cadilac when you cycle it. The Glock seems more like a good but functional pickup truck.

by Caleb C on Thu 9 Feb 2012 - 7:47

It was hard to decide between the G17 and P226. I had to go with the Glock though. The Sig has too many moving parts.

by DevilDog on Thu 9 Feb 2012 - 10:44

Beretta got my vote. After 25 years with the M9, I've had nothing but good luck with it. I just bought a Glock 34 to shoot in competitions, but it was only because of the Glock sight picture allowing faster target acquisition (for me). But I'm still second-guessing why I didn't stick with the 92FS. First double action trigger pull is long, but I was taught to take up the slack as the target is being acquired. After that the single action pulls are pretty sweet.

Final endorsement: If you come into my house uninvited, the castle doctrine and the 92FS will be your main issues.

They're all pretty good. Main thing is to know how to use the one you grab.

by advanced on Thu 9 Feb 2012 - 11:25

I'd go with the G19 but it wasn't listed. The g17 grip just doesn't suit me.

My buddy has a beretta and we've never jammed it, but his wife had jam after jam limp wristing. My 40 cal however didn't jam when she shot it.

So I chose the Browning High Power because it handles and shoots TOO smooth. Cool

What is the best "Wonder Nine" pistol