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Marlin XL7 & Ruger American Comparison

Post by bullet on Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:11 pm

Purchased a Ruger American today and will be doing a comparison between it and the Marlin XL7, both in 30-06 and publish later this spring or early summer my findings.

MarLin XL7 30-06




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Post by bullet on Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:33 am

I am neutral concerning both rifles and will give them a fair going over and represent the facts. It is hard to get bug holes with a 30-06 of any kind but you can get real good to better than hunting accuracy, but I will be looking at the use of the whole system as a rifle and its over all function as a total. Any rifle has something another rifle doesn't but the rifle as an over all system as a hunting tool will be the determining factor for the final and total grade.

I bought the two rifles to run honest and fair tests using my reloading skills along with my shooting skills and using my experience of carrying rifles in the field on spot and stalk hunts all day for days at a time to determine the most suitable carry rifle between the two. I want to get a real world look for myself. I do not have a favorite to start out with and I don't care which one in the end wins and no body is paying me to do this (I bought these with my own money) - so I don't care what the manufactures think, I will draw my own conclusions.

I want to distinguish between the two rifles not only accuracy wise, but every thing from the one that likes the heavy bullets and the one that likes the lighter bullets for .308 caliber to the following: I will also consider fit and finish, function, bedding, style and looks, handling and balance and many other things. This will take time but I will lay out my plan to approach the rifles and then provide a tally sheet in the end.



I am under no delusion in reference to what I have purchased. I will say though that entry level rifles today are as accurate as the majority of custom rifles I had made in the early 80's and that says a lot. Those of us who have lived a while, hunted with, loaded for and shot guns from the past know that what we get for the buck spent today is a better value. Most entry level guns today are not trash and junk, especially when you consider what you get for the dollar spent.


I think the average guy who does not have a lot of bucks to spend can own an entry level rifle today and be proud of what he has and can kill a lot of game due to the accuracy achieved by entry level rifles. I have owned the high dollar custom rifles and high dollar factory rifles, and still own some of them, and the truth is in a hunting rifle (not bench or competition which no hunting rifle will ever be no matter how much you paid for it) there is not to much difference in the high dollar hunting rifle accuracy of today and the entry level accuracy. Both are certainly very acceptable hunting accuracy.

In fact there is not a single hunt I have been on through the years of hunting, that I could not have taken one of these two rifles and done the job pretty much the same, give or take a few circumstances. On top of that, I have the added benefit that if I fell off a ledge and landed on one of these rifles like I did with a fine custom and ruined it and the scope, I have not lost what cannot be easily replaced. Today a fancy and expensive custom or factory rifle when hunting does not give a great deal of advantage over the entry level rifles of today. If it makes a man feel like he is a better hunter because he has a rifle he can say "look at what I have" then buy the thing, but don't assume it will really make a man a better hunter or better shot.

I have lived among the hunting elite on leases costing 10,000 dollars a year as yearly guest (my friend was the president of the club) and the pressure to own the best rifle to fit in and I have discovered how much of a fool I was for buying into it and the bull all that stuff really is - so I hope the guy who does not have a lot to spend like me gains a great deal from my efforts to compare these rifles. Also, that the average guy can realizes that in these entry level rifles he can get the job done just the same as the guy with the Hot Dog Fancy Custom Rifle or Expensive Factory rifle and maybe much better, because he does not have to nurse his entry level rifle and baby it so it will keep looking good - he can actually hunt and hunt hard.

Also, I would not buy an entry level rifle for the purpose of ever tweaking it. Why, buy it for any custom work at all when it is cheaper to replace the entry level rilfe than to have most custom work done on a Rem 700 or any upper level rifle. The reason I do not want to try the Edge/Axis is their poor trigger and the Remington is not anything the Marlin XL7 is not and I get a good trigger in the Marlin and an outstanding trigger in the Ruger American. Those who buy an entry level rifle outside of falling off a ledge like I did and ruining the rifle, will more than likely not wear it out in their life time of hunting, because they do not use their hunting rifles (most don't - excluding me) for range rifles.

What is really going to be funny is if I get small consistent groups out of these two rifle from my handloads, and if so, that pretty much says it all. Now some might like to drive a BMW and I like my Chevys and Fords and guess what, we all get to where we are going, but if one feels it looks better feels better then by all means get the BMW, but whatever you do don't follow my four wheel drive pick up truck when I leave the smooth highways and head out through the dirty, muddy tough stuff and expect that nice BMW to ever look quit the same.

You get in the mountains for 6 and 7 days of humping it or threading through a swamp and think that pretty rifle will not come back looking different, it will only be because you stayed in your tent or at camp and played with your new smart phone. I am looking forward to this work and the results and at this point have no idea which one will win in the end, but my curiosity got the best of me and I am going to find out with hands on both.

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Re: Marlin XL7 & Ruger American Comparison

Post by msredneck on Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:46 am

I bought an Axis...actually an Edge a couple years ago....Bought it for a truck gun...a beater for around the farm...I'm not gonna beat up one of my nice 700's doing that

Had low expectations for it being so cheap...For what it is...I'd consider it a value....Folks wanna compare these XL7's and Axis, Edges and now All American's to "real" rifles.... lol

It's not not fair...comparing apples to oranges....

long as you know up front what you getting...and the reason you got it

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Post by bullet on Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:27 am

Refer to my previous post.

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Post by p moore on Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:39 am

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Can't wait for your results


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Post by msredneck on Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:44 am

problem I have with some of these entry rifles is that it will be difficult to tweak em...later.....you buy a Rem 700 or savage action and the skies the limit...again...its not a fair comparison

First thing I did on my Edge was have a rifle basix trigger installed...

What worries me about that gun is being able to replace or upgrade the barrels due to the way they were designed...

I have custom guns done because I want em...I want something different...not off the shelf....

Aint nothing wrong with these entry models....I have several....

I'm particularly interested in what you have to say about the all American from Ruger

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Post by bullet on Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:55 am

Refer to my second post on this thread.

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Post by msredneck on Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:05 am

I purchased the Edge....soon there after to be called the Axis...the trigger was pretty bad...I'm so used to a nice trigger I just had to enhance it.

Bought it like I said for a truck gun and was in hopes of burning it out on some Prairie doggies....trip never materialized...

Hurry up and tell us how good the all American is...so I can run out and buy one....in '06 lol

BTW - Though not an '06 fan...I got 5 or 6 of em Smile

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Post by bullet on Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:12 am

msredneck wrote:

Hurry up and tell us how good the all American is...so I can run out and buy one....in '06 lol

BTW - Though not an '06 fan...I got 5 or 6 of em Smile

Now see how delusional you are!!! No way a man can own 5 or 6 30-06's and not be a fan of the 30-06 whether he knows it or not, he is a fan. Funny big thumb up laughatyou lol lol

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Post by msredneck on Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:17 am

I love em all...want em all....that's the problem

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Post by bullet on Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:28 pm

Wednesday or Thursday morning will begin my load work comparison of the XLR and the American in 30-06 depending on the weather.





180gr North Fork
180gr Sierra Pro Hunter spitzer
180gr Speer Hot Core Spitzer
180gr Speer Hot Core RN
180gr Ballistic Tip

165gr North Fork
165gr Sierra HPBT
165gr Sierra SBT


220gr Sierra RN
220gr Hawk

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Post by msredneck on Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:36 am

So how's the weather down there today ?....Man you take great pics...You making me wanna run out and buy an All American already lol

Everything getting hard to get with the current craze...I await your gun review

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Post by bullet on Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:40 am

59 degrees and raining. Sure hope it clears up a bit so tomorrow or Thursday or at least Friday morning I can begin load comparison with these two rifles.

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Post by msredneck on Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:10 am

Ms in the winter time....either freezing butt off or dodging tornado's Gotta luv it.

Have fun...its a hard job I know...but someone has to do it Smile

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Post by bullet on Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:20 am

msredneck wrote:Ms in the winter time....either freezing butt off or dodging tornado's Gotta luv it.

Have fun...its a hard job I know...but someone has to do it Smile

You know, if I did not like my hunting so much, I would not like my load development, but because I love to also shoot, it won't be work. Now if I did not like to do load work and shooting, this would all be work indeed. I will have fun. thumbs up

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Post by msredneck on Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:23 am

Man - Getting paid to load bullets and shoot.... where did I go wrong ? IDK

take care

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Post by bullet on Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:30 am

msredneck wrote:Man - Getting paid to load bullets and shoot.... where did I go wrong ? IDK

take care

Man, I don't get paid to do all this, every bit of this comes out of my own pocket. I am doing this because I want to not because someone asked me or wanted me to. I don't take pay for any articles I write either, because I do not want any controls over my conclusions nor any pressure to pad an article. thumbs up

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Post by msredneck on Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:59 am

Hurry up and tell us what you think Razz ....I got a bead on a Ruger All American...just waiting to press the trigger...

wanna know what you have to say bout em since I already have a XL7

Hopefully you out testing this am.....

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Post by bullet on Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:58 am

Not till Monday morning, my job has killed everything through this weekend.

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Post by oO_Rogue_Oo on Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:29 am

First off, thanks for taking the time to do this. I will be following along closely. I've been thinking of picking up a "low cost" 270 and this could help me make my choice.

Will you be doing periodic updates as you go along? I'm curious how you compare the two as far as fit and finish; quality and smoothness of the action, stock, trigger, etc.

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Post by bullet on Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:35 am

oO_Rogue_Oo wrote:First off, thanks for taking the time to do this. I will be following along closely. I've been thinking of picking up a "low cost" 270 and this could help me make my choice.

Will you be doing periodic updates as you go along? I'm curious how you compare the two as far as fit and finish; quality and smoothness of the action, stock, trigger, etc.

Yes, I will make some comments as I go along and then wrap it all up in an article that will be posted in a couple of months on AmmoGuide under Price's Corner.

I will save my judgements once I have considered each rifle as a system. They are cheap guns in manufacturing, that is why they don't cost a lot, but cheap feeling, cheap looking does not mean they are really cheap because manufacture is cheaper than traditional guns. If I get good accuracy and they hold up to some other test I will run, then what a man gets for the value excludes them from being cheap.

Looks, first impressions, opinions, and assumptions don't hold water with me even though in the end they might be right, until I prove these rifle I will hold my final analysis until then. Example, the plastic magazine by Ruger is made from a high strength polymer and is tick not thin and functions flawlessly so far, very unique design. Like I said, until I finish my testing and evaluation I will hold my final judgements becasue then and only then will I have empirical evidence to make my judgements instead of emotional and anecdotal experiences ( based on or consisting of reports or observations of usually unscientific observers).

As I said I will be giving from time to time some info I have discovered about each rifle.

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Post by tek500 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:19 pm

I have a marlin xl7 in 270. It's a great shooter accuracy is awesome. The only problem I have had is the extractor. It either wasn't in the gun from the factory or came out before the first outing with the rifle. I called marlin and they sent me 3 extractor sets. They arrived in about 4 days. I put one in and since then the rifle has been fine. No more problems at all. So I guess it was left out at the factory.

After fixing the problem. I zeroed the rifle at 25 yds and shot 3 shots after zeroing. It was hard to tell there were 3 shots in the hole. It looked like a 30 caliber hole in the target. Not bad for a $250.00 rifle. I bought it several years ago. It's a savage copy in my mind with the accutrigger and the barrel nut. But the accuracy is awesome in my opinion.

I haven't carried it out hunting yet but have shot it quite a few times. It will take more time for me to trust the extractor staying in after the initial problem for it to gain my trust and get into my hunting rifle group. But for now it's gaining a spot closer every trip out with no problem.

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Post by bullet on Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:30 pm

I have heard all the tails on both of them I think by now. If and when the one I have shoots accurate then it gets the accuracy test, of three five shot groups of the same load and if it holds it accuracy over the three five shot group I will call not only the rifle accurate but that specific load and that load can be counted upon in my rifle. Not only that but I am loadinb the 30-06 cartridge in these rifles and the 30-06 does most of the time require more specific load work tayloring to get it consistent, although the 30-06 is more than acceptable most of the time for hunting accuracy.

Getting a lucky three shot group every now in then to shoot a bug hole is not really telling you a whole about the rifle. On top of that you need a variety of loads, different bullets and bullet weights to see how the gun can generally be used for more than one specific task. It takes work.

I am glad you got that bug hole when shooting, and I have two friend who have gotten bug holes with rifles and then we would meet at the range and they would shoot and shoot and not get that bug hole again or if they do it is every once in a while. I am looking to see if these entry level rifles can maintain hunting accuracy consistently so I know what to expect in the field. Now I am a very good shot, and I will know after my testing which one holds up consistently over the long run of this testing and that is the one that will get my nod on accuracy. In initial inspection I have found the rifling and lands on the Marlin to be fairly shallow, so it will be interesting to see how it pans out over the long haul.

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Post by bullet on Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:17 pm

The following load results are from using generic loads that worked for ten past 30-06's. The loads you are fixing to see targets of were not tailored for either rifle they are loads that have worked in the past for me. Do not draw premature conclusions from these since I have a long ways to go, but it is not looking good accuracy wise for the Ruger Ammerican.

All 180gr loads run from 2700fps to 2774fps

180gr Sierra Pro Hunter Spitzer XL7 Marlin


180gr North Fork SS XL7 Marlin


180gr Speer Hot Core RN XL7 Marlin


180gr Nosler Ballistic Tip XL7 Marlin


165gr North Fork SS XL7 Marlin


165gr Sierra HPBT XL7 Marlin


The following target is the only target of the Ruger American worth showing.

165gr Sierra HPBT Ruger American



Special note: the Ruger tigger was over five pounds and i took off the stock and adjusted it down to 3 pounds and that should help out some. The Marlin was already at 3 pounds

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Post by bullet on Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:11 pm

Special note: the Ruger tigger was over five pounds and i took off the stock and adjusted it down to 3 pounds and that should help out some. The Marlin was already at 3 pounds

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Post by Joe S. on Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:54 pm

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Post by bullet on Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:23 pm

Thanks, that is kind of you to say so.

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Post by bullet on Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:17 am

The Ruger American will begin to improve. I am far from over with these two rifles. It takes a long time getting things right with one rifle much less two of them. The Marlin I know takes about 9 rounds down the bore before it really begins to shoot well and I am suspect that it will take 10 or 12 for the Ruger American to start shooting well, but with most hunting rifles I have found they like a fairly fouled bore.

Yesterday was the first time the American had been to the range, so with the trigger adjustments I have made and some more rounds down the bore, I believe it will get to shooting better. There are some functional things I really like about the Ruger American which are a plus for the little money spent on the rifle. I will find out with some more loads down the bore next Wednesday or Thursday morning.

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Post by msredneck on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:47 am

Yeah even High Dollar guns need a few down the bore after cleaning before they come back "in"

Are you doing this testing with both guns already broken in or just straight out of the boxes

what's your standard procedure for breaking in a new rifle like this ?

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Post by bullet on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:14 am

msredneck wrote:Yeah even High Dollar guns need a few down the bore after cleaning before they come back "in"

Are you doing this testing with both guns already broken in or just straight out of the boxes

what's your standard procedure for breaking in a new rifle like this ?

Straight out of the box. I have a break that I have used for 20 years now, but since these are entry level rifles and most who buy them don't know how are use break in procedures, I didn't use mine. I clean them, then went to the range fired 20 rounds each then I clean again.


I fire one shot and clean after each shot for 20 rounds.

Then I shoot 5 three shot groups cleaning after each three shot group (five minutes between groups if 60degrees or below, if over 65 or above I wait 10 minutes between groups).

The three five shot groups cleaning after each five shot group. (time between groups the same as above)

Some do not think breaking in a rifle does any good, but the difference in my fine customs and expensive factory rifles before I started a break in process for my rifles (there being enough of a consistent change in accuracy and consistency to maintain accuracy through my experiences) to continue the break in process. All I use anymore for my break in is Deaton's Gun Care.

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Post by bullet on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:05 pm

The American might tighten up real quick next Wednesday or Thursday as I change the OAL and loads to fit the American a little better plus with the trigger adjustment I made it really is a sweet trigger for such an inexpensive rifle. I am playing with seating depth. Obviously it will take more work especially with the American. They free floated the barrel(which I usually like). But with a thin sporter barrel it can create more problems free floating the barrel than if it has a pressure point a lot of the time (hence the engineers at Marlin decided to put a pressure point instead of free floating and the Marlin I have digest pretty much what I am feeding it with good hunting accuracy), which sometimes free floating a thin barrel works and sometimes does not.

When it does not work it will like fewer specific loads and bullet weights than when there is fore end pressure. This is not a hard rule and there are exceptions, but just because they free floated the barrel does not necessarily mean the barrel will like being free floated. I am at the moment believing that the American I have, the barrel is not taking to the free floating, but load work will let me know in the not to distant future.

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Post by bullet on Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:42 am

The next two weeks will be really involved in range work and field test.

Range work: Will be also at the range shooting both rifles from four basic field positions (prone, sitting, kneeling, standing). I will fire having an observer to look over my shoulder to determine if the stock of either gun touches the sides of the barrel and will do it the second time with a sling attached in the sitting, kneeling, and standing positions. I then will have the observer shoot the same as I did and I will also see what each rifle stock does under this kind of shooting.

Factory loads
- 150gr Win Silver tips, 165gr Win power points, 165gr Win Silver tips, 165gr Rem Core Lokt, 180gr Core Lokt

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- 130gr TTSX, 150gr E-Tip, 165gr Hornady Spire Point, 165gr Sierra SBT, 165gr Sierra HPBT, 165gr Ballistic tip, 180gr Speer SBT, 180gr Speer RN, 220gr Sierra RN, 220gr Hawk semi RN

Field test:
Will involve two separate days of hiking on a 5000 acre private lease. I will take my back pack full of water and my lunch and hike all over that lease with each rifle on separate days, hiking steep hills, pine woods and thickets along with some bottom land, to determine which rifle was the easiest to carry so as to determine which one would be a good spot and stalk rifle. At the end of each day of hiking, I will go back to my truck and get a climbing stand and go up a tree to about 14 feet and try all the shooting positions I might have to get in to take a deer from a stand to see which one is the easiest to maneuver in a tree stand.


Break down: Will break both rifles down showing the bedding and my thoughts on what each manufacture has done.


This will be the last post until I am finished with my comparison of the Marlin XL7 and the Ruger American.
My final results will be a link to my complete summary of my work with these two rifles and my final conclusions on which rifle gets the nod for being the best value as an entry level rifle. I will make brief comments on my choices for entry level scopes since I have used both (Burris Full Field II and Redfied) in the field to take game.

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Post by msredneck on Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:45 am

Man you working your tail off Razz

Can't wait

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Post by msredneck on Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:13 pm

Well I see the gun for sale...what were your findings...opinions...etc

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Post by tha1000 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:31 pm

msredneck wrote:Well I see the gun for sale...what were your findings...opinions...etc

I'm guessing the Ruger lost! lol

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Post by bullet on Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:34 pm

msredneck wrote:Well I see the gun for sale...what were your findings...opinions...etc

Just finished my work yesterday and I am finishing putting together the article for the next couple of days as I arrange data, text and pictures for the article that will be published March first on Ammoguide and I will post the link when it is published.

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Re: Marlin XL7 & Ruger American Comparison

Post by bullet on Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:35 am

Link to finished work

http://ammoguide.com/?article=pricescorner/130301

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Re: Marlin XL7 & Ruger American Comparison

Post by msubullyfan on Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:08 am

Mr. Price's conclusions on the Ruger match my observations when holding the gun in a gun shop. I've held the Marlin and Savage Axis "budget" rifles in the past and they both felt rather solid and sturdy. I did not get the same impression with the Ruger.

Very good write-up, sir. I look forward to your columns every month.

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Re: Marlin XL7 & Ruger American Comparison

Post by jsthntn247 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:32 am

I have heard that the quality of the Marlin has went down dramatically since Remington took over Marlin. Allot of people complaining about completly rusted out barrels and seized actions.

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Re: Marlin XL7 & Ruger American Comparison

Post by bullet on Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:24 am

Mine was a new one bought in December and I did not find any of the problems on the one I bought nor on the other Marlins in the gun shop at that time that were chambered for other cartridges so I will discount your comments.

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Re: Marlin XL7 & Ruger American Comparison

Post by tek500 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:37 pm

I bought a xl7 several years ago in 270 win caliber. I am very pleased with the way it shoots. I had a problem on the first outing with the gun. But after contacting marlin the problem was fixed within 4 days without returning the rifle. I was very impressed with the rifle's performance especially for the price I paid. I believe then I paid $320.00 out the door for a brand new 270. I believe it's basically a copy of the savage.

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Re: Marlin XL7 & Ruger American Comparison

Post by bullet on Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:15 am

When testing I reduced my time and expense by shooting three shot groups. Here is a five shot groups fired this afternoon from the Marlin XL7.


180gr Ballistic Tip 2797-2804fps this afternoon Marlin XL7 3006

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Re: Marlin XL7 & Ruger American Comparison

Post by msredneck on Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:23 am

Nice write up...Guess I'll keep my Marlin XL7 in 243...and maybe add an '06....

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Re: Marlin XL7 & Ruger American Comparison

Post by bullet on Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:00 am

Yeah, this is my load considering I have 300 180gr BT's and 700 new Win brass and 1,000 210 primers. WOW!! this was work, but now I can relax and later this spring I will check out my distances for my Accu-Range Redfield with this load.



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Re: Marlin XL7 & Ruger American Comparison

Post by msredneck on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:49 pm

You all see in this months American Rifleman that the All American made rifle of the year.....cough...cough

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Re: Marlin XL7 & Ruger American Comparison

Post by bullet on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:50 pm

Well it might be gun of the year and maybe they are right, but I remember my experience I had with the American and I really wanted it to do well in my comparison. But who am I, just one man who bought and did a fair test and it did not turn out well for the American. Maybe I just had a bad one.

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