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Post by RayJay on Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:34 pm

confused There are a number of stores in Tate and Panola county that have put up "No Firearms" signs on their doors. I have an enhanced carry permit. I've been ignoring the signs and carry concealed into those stores anyway. Is this illegal? I carry IWB and no one has ever discovered my revolver before. But if my weapon were seen while I was in said store, what would the consequences be?

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by BobKat on Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:42 pm

Yup, you're trespassing.  Lots of threads on this very topic.

btw,  welcome   to the forum!

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by RayJay on Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:49 pm

Where might I find these threads?

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by msredneck on Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:54 pm

do a lil reading first on the forum...yeah U are pretty much breaking the law...it all depends on who you ask...there's no definitive answer so far yet.

Its a mess

anyway...why would you ask if you were breaking the law (after the fact) on a PUBLIC forum...I just would not have asked it that way I guess...

any way...there's much more drama to come...hope you enjoy it

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by RayJay on Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:05 pm

msredneck wrote:do a lil reading first on the forum...yeah  U are pretty much breaking the law...it all depends on who you ask...there's no definitive answer so far yet.

Its a mess

anyway...why would you ask if you were breaking the law (after the fact) on a PUBLIC forum...I just would not have asked it that way I guess...

any way...there's much more drama to come...hope you enjoy it
 
 
Well.......... I've gone out of my way all my life to do the right thing.  If in fact it's not legal to carry into a store with a "No Guns" sign then I won't carry in there.  But this kind of defeats the CCW law.[/color]

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by onlymaroonmatters on Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:33 pm

Hypothetically, if I had a CCW permit and IC sticker, and even carried a firearm, I would carry everywhere except the very few places not allowed: court with judge present, school campus if you yourself are a student anywhere, and any law enforcement building/jail. Other than that, I be totin. Hypothetically speaking of course.
As stated previously, hit up the search box or look at gun laws section. Numerous reads on the topic.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by bucmeister on Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:45 pm

RayJay, 

You are correct, the unintended consequences of the anti-gun media hype surrounding HB 2 has induced an adverse public overreaction by the businesses all over the state aided and abetted by the various police and sheriff departments promoting the placing of the signs.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by PWB on Sun Jul 14, 2013 3:59 pm

http://safefireshooting.com/MS_Concealed_Carry.html

Several days ago I found and posted the above link...it doesn't specify whether or not enhanced carry permit are prohibited to enter a business that has a "no guns allowed" sign or not...it seems like I read somewhere that if you have the enhanced carry permit you may be exempt from trespassing unless the business owner or their representative ask you to leave...but I'm not 100% sure about that...there is so much being posted about the entire carrying issue what once seemed fairly simple and straight forward is now a clear as mud!!!

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by patstar556 on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:09 pm

Welcome to the forum, RayJay!

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by surehuntsalot on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:18 pm

yes you are breaking the law

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by RayJay on Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:58 pm

Razz  groan .... Sounds like I need to learn to run faster and hide better. Looks like there's no need to renew my CCW permit. I wonder if the bad guys are reading and obeying the signs?  I guess a sword cane is out of the question....

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by 94LEVERFAN on Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:40 pm

RayJay wrote:Razz  groan .... Sounds like I need to learn to run faster and hide better. Looks like there's no need to renew my CCW permit. I wonder if the bad guys are reading and obeying the signs?  I guess a sword cane is out of the question....

Sword cane, lol.  I have a buddy, ex marine, vietnam vet.  Old and CANTANCEROUS(spelling?).  He has a sword cane.  Was at a convenience store on hwy 80 in West Jackson last yr.  Couple of thuggy looking folks started hitting him up for money while he was pumping gas.  Told em twice to leave hime alone.  One got a little to close to Bubba's comfort zone.  Yep, out comes the sword.  He chased them BACK INTO THE STORE.  Needless to say, they left him alone.  No one effs with him at that store anymore.

By the way, you might be violating a tresspass law, but with IC you are NOT violating the CC law.  That said, IANAL.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by PlaneMack on Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:25 am

Rayjay....you are going to find TONS of OPINIONS on this and other forums.  Here is what the STATUTES say regarding specifically CCW/IC.  However, until someone "pushes to test" and we get this in court, everyone is just "guessing" at best.....even the most educated.

(CCW no IC) 45-9-101..(13)  No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed pistol or revolver into any place .....  In addition to the places enumerated in this subsection, the carrying of a concealed pistol or revolver may be disallowed in any place in the discretion of the person or entity exercising control over the physical location of such place by the placing of a written notice clearly readable at a distance of not less than ten (10) feet that the "carrying of a pistol or revolver is prohibited."  

(CCW/IC) 97-37-7..(2) As amended by HB506 It shall further not be a violation of this or any other statute for pistols, firearms or other suitable and appropriate weapons to be carried by....A person licensed under Section 45-9-101 to carry a concealed pistol, who has voluntarily completed an instructional course in the safe handling and use of firearms offered by an instructor certified by a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training, or by any other organization approved by the Department of Public Safety, shall also be authorized to carry
weapons in courthouses except in courtrooms during a judicial proceeding, and any location listed in subsection (13) of Section 45-9-101, except any place of nuisance as defined in Section 95-3-1, any police, sheriff or highway patrol station or any detention facility, prison or jail.

No matter which side of the argument folks stand on...property rights vs RKBA....the LAW is clear.  IT SHALL NOT BE A VIOLATION OF THIS OR ANY OTHER STATUTE.  I am not giving an opinion...just stating the facts.  Also, just for the sake of not sparking an entirely different thread...let's just assume that this applies to all "no gun" signs whether or not they are worded exactly as depicted in the statute.

Might someone still get arrested if they walk past a sign and the business owner spots it and calls the cops...maybe.  Will the charges stick...who knows.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by PlaneMack on Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:46 am

To finish my thought.  Based on the statutes, it is not a violation of ANY statute to walk past a "no guns" sign (legal wording or not) with CCW/IC.  However, a business owner can ask anyone at anytime to leave whether or not you are carrying a firearm, and if you don't, THEN I agree with all of the other posts that you can be charged with trespassing at that time, as it has zero to do with the firearm and everything to do with you being asked to leave and refusing to do so.

Some will say that the sign is your notice of "being asked to leave", however.....refer back to the statute.  If you can't be charged with a crime (gun nor trespassing) for walking past the sign with a firearm, the only way you can be charged is if you are doing something that falls outside of what the statute covers.  That would be refusing a request from the business owner to leave which is NOT exempt from the statute.  I know that the AG put out an opinion that is contrary to this, but this is exactly what the LAW says.  And again, until it gets to court...NOBODY really knows.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by RTD199 on Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:54 am

PlaneMack wrote:To finish my thought.  Based on the statutes, it is not a violation of ANY statute to walk past a "no guns" sign (legal wording or not) with CCW/IC.  However, a business owner can ask anyone at anytime to leave whether or not you are carrying a firearm, and if you don't, THEN I agree with all of the other posts that you can be charged with trespassing at that time, as it has zero to do with the firearm and everything to do with you being asked to leave and refusing to do so.

Some will say that the sign is your notice of "being asked to leave", however.....refer back to the statute.  If you can't be charged with a crime (gun nor trespassing) for walking past the sign with a firearm, the only way you can be charged is if you are doing something that falls outside of what the statute covers.  That would be refusing a request from the business owner to leave which is NOT exempt from the statute.  I know that the AG put out an opinion that is contrary to this, but this is exactly what the LAW says.  And again, until it gets to court...NOBODY really knows.



thumbs up I agree with your thought , and fact is unless said business has a metal detector or in case of some amusement parks , stadiums, theaters, ect that check baggage ,or God forbid you have a life or death encounter were you must draw your concealed weapon who's ever going to know....out of sight out of mine.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by PWB on Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:40 am

PlaneMack wrote:To finish my thought.  Based on the statutes, it is not a violation of ANY statute to walk past a "no guns" sign (legal wording or not) with CCW/IC.  However, a business owner can ask anyone at anytime to leave whether or not you are carrying a firearm, and if you don't, THEN I agree with all of the other posts that you can be charged with trespassing at that time, as it has zero to do with the firearm and everything to do with you being asked to leave and refusing to do so.

Some will say that the sign is your notice of "being asked to leave", however.....refer back to the statute.  If you can't be charged with a crime (gun nor trespassing) for walking past the sign with a firearm, the only way you can be charged is if you are doing something that falls outside of what the statute covers.  That would be refusing a request from the business owner to leave which is NOT exempt from the statute.  I know that the AG put out an opinion that is contrary to this, but this is exactly what the LAW says.  And again, until it gets to court...NOBODY really knows.

Well said...that was my thoughts about the way the statute reads...if you OC (if that ever happens) pay attention to the signs and where you are...if you have the enhanced carry permit all you have to be concerned about are the few exceptions listed in the statute, unless you are a bail bondsman or a lawyer, this won't be much of an imposition...for those who have only the firearms permit; the statute specifies nine locations or events that you can not carry, if I read the statute correctly....as an LEO the only place I've been restricted from carrying a firearm are jail/prison facilities and federal courts...officers generally are allowed to carry firearms in municipal and county courts...but if a judge prohibits it then; no gun in his/her courtroom ... generally, an enhance carry permit allows you to carry a firearm just about anywhere a LEO is allowed to carry...as long as it's concealed.  Enhanced permit is the way to go!

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by 0utlier on Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:51 am

PlaneMack.... What a well laid out and logical step through of the statutes involved. The way you see it is how I see it.

It's very frustrating dealing with contradictory statutes and for so much to be up for interpretation. Somebody will need to get pinched for ccw/ic/trespass for things to be written in stone. Until then we will all continue to opine.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by fredfredfred on Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:31 pm

Yes, in my opinion it's legal.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by rmse9 on Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:28 pm

I have always tried to be a law abiding citizen, but in relation to CCW and I do not have enhanced, I still believe in the theory in most instances I would prefer to fight charges in court for being in violation rather than be left as a target for some freaked out gangster wanting to take my life.

I carry in a manner that the possibility of accidental exposure of my weapon is not going to happen. I am in no way saying this is the correct option.  I would prefer to be a very law abiding citizen as I am too old to go to jail and have never been there before. I am not recommending that others do this. It is the option I prefer over the possibility of having a bulls-eye painted on my back in a gun free zone. This is my choice and really does not answer the question, but we all must make choices we can live or die with.

One note, I do not carry in courthouses, federal facilities where prohibited, police stations, etc. I may be a little crazy, but not totally stupid and I would hope these locations would have adequately armed personnel available in the event a felon decided to go off the deep end.

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Post by DieselDoc on Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:56 pm

Ditto, ditto, and ditto! thumbs up

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by BBQDawg on Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:11 pm

You are not violating the concealed carry laws to walk past the sign with an enhanced carry permit, but you ARE trespassing. It really does not matter what the statutes say in this regard as you are going upon private property and private property owners have the right to control certain types of behavior upon their property. There are certain things the government still cannot force upon private property owners. You may be able to constitutionally go around on public property without a shirt and shoes, but you are familiar, I'm sure, with the No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service signs in restaurants. Same principle. Also, though there are a number of things very vague and frustrating about all of this, it is deemed presumptive notice if the sign is statutorily compliant that you entered after being told not to and are thus subject to arrest for trespassing without their having to first ask you to leave. I, too, (as well as my wife) have enhanced permits, and all this has accomplished is greatly reducing the places we can now carry as now everyone and their brother are putting up the signs prohibiting firearms. I know this is a very controversial statement, but as an enhanced carry permit holder, I cannot understand why our legislature wanted to try to push open carry through with everything going on right now in the present political climate, surely knowing the anti-gun media would blow it so out of proportion. Also, they were crazy to pass such a vague and ambiguous statute that would lead to so many unanswered and unaddressed issues. It has now resulted in my wife and I, and tons of others in this state, who are decent law abiding citizens, being further deprived of our right to legally carry a gun in numbers of places previously permitted.

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Post by rmse9 on Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:40 pm

The law is not vague. That is something the liberal judge in Jackson said which is not true. It just verified the Constitution in Mississippi allowing us to open carry. They are using the ploy of how are we to know if the open carry individual is not a felon. It is very straight forward from a law enforcement perspective that they cannot do anything to anyone open carrying under our Constitution unless they see another law being violated. As stated elsewhere in this site,  they can come up to you and ask you questions about the gun and are you a felon and how many kids do you have and where do you work and the like, but unless you are violating a law or under suspicion for a crime you do not have to answer. Even  if under suspicion you do not have to answer without an attorney. Seeing someone with a firearm on their side that is not law enforcement officer tends to make folks uneasy as a rule and law enforcement feels handicapped in how they can deal with it.  If the individual is not breaking any laws there should be no problems or issues with them open carrying.

I stated in another comment that I believe the intent of our state AG was to cause the concealed carry holders problems by issuing his ruling on open carry knowing that more businesses would place signs restricting locations we can carry concealed. Many did not agree with me, but I do not believe Hood is a strong supporter of CCW.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by patstar556 on Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:59 pm

I think you are dead on target. I believe he's against us. Flipping democraps don't want their voters getting shot.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by PlaneMack on Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:02 pm

BBQDawg wrote:You are not violating the concealed carry laws to walk past the sign with an enhanced carry permit, but you ARE trespassing.  It really does not matter what the statutes say in this regard as you are going upon private property and private property owners have the right to control certain types of behavior upon their property.  There are certain things the government still cannot force upon private property owners.  You may be able to constitutionally go around on public property without a shirt and shoes, but you are familiar, I'm sure, with the No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service signs in restaurants.  Same principle.  Also, though there are a number of things very vague and frustrating about all of this, it is deemed presumptive notice if the sign is statutorily compliant that you entered after being told not to and are thus subject to arrest for trespassing without their having to first ask you to leave.  I, too, (as well as my wife) have enhanced permits, and all this has accomplished is greatly reducing the places we can now carry as now everyone and their brother are putting up the signs prohibiting firearms.  I know this is a very controversial statement, but as an enhanced carry permit holder, I cannot understand why our legislature wanted to try to push open carry through with everything going on right now in the present political climate, surely knowing the anti-gun media would blow it so out of proportion.  Also, they were crazy to pass such a vague and ambiguous statute that would lead to so many unanswered and unaddressed issues.  It has now resulted in my wife and I, and tons of others in this state, who are decent law abiding citizens, being further deprived of our right to legally carry a gun in numbers of places previously permitted.


This is exactly what I am talking about.  Since WHEN does the LAW (statutes) not matter?  In the event you walk past a sign and are subsequently arrested, you won't be charged with "trespassing".... You WILL be charged with violating MS Code 97....... (take your pick of statutes that cover trespassing).  HOWEVER, and here's my discourse with your statement..... It ONLY matters what the statues say.  Those are the laws by which we are governed, arrested and either found guilty or innocent.  We are NOT convicted of violating someone's OPINION.  I really don't understand how "IT SHALL NOT BE A VIOLATION OF THIS OR ANY OTHER STATUTE"  can be unclear.

The No Shoes, Shirt example is "apples and oranges".  There's not a statute that gives anyone with certain type of training an exemption from "No shoes, no shirt, no service".  There's also no statute that states that it's not a violation to exercise a right to walk past that sign.  So again, bad comparison.

The statement about being a presumptive notice does not come from LAW, rather it comes from OPINION that is in direct contrast to the LAW.  Legal opinions are used when there is a vagueness or uncertainty about a certain statute.  In this case it is actually very clear.

All of that being said, I do agree that you might find yourself exercising this right and being arrested.  It may end up costing a lot a money to defend yourself against the charges as well.  But as the LAW reads......The simple act of walking past a sign is NOT a violation.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by bar306 on Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:08 pm

Until this "Sign" thing receives more clarification (whenever that happens), does anyone know for sure whether pepper sprays are considered in MS law to be a weapon? I've read in couple of places where pepper sprays and mace are not regulated in MS, but I'm not sure and can't find any lawful reference to this product. I have several canisters of Dog Repellent which are essentially the same as self-defensive pepper spray products.

"Oh, no sir, that's not a weapon, it's 'Dog Repellent,' I hope you don't have any bad dogs around here."

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by BBQDawg on Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:44 pm

PlaneMack, I am telling you EXACTLY what the Attorney General's office told us at a seminar today and using one of the examples we were give which you say is "apples and oranges." If you want to go with your own interpretation of the law and fight it out in court, then be my guest. But I can tell you that until the statutes are clarified, or an appellate court renders a decision interpreting them, the courts go by the Attorney General's opinions. However, the "any other statutes" you are referring to have to do with any other firearms statutes. Not saying I agree with everything, but I am telling you what law enforcement, prosecutors, and judges are being told as to how to handle it. Your constitutional and statutory arguments are quite possibly going to fall on deaf ears while they put the cuffs on you. You may prevail in court at some level, and I hope you do as I don't agree with all this, but I am telling you how it is being interpreted at the time being pending further action.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by PlaneMack on Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:11 pm

BBQDawg....I get, and respect your point.  And I completely agree with "this is the way it is".  My contention is (albeit may fall on deaf ears)...We are all suffering and groaning about Judge Kidd's OPINION that HB2 is "vague" even though we all know that's crap.  We have all moaned and groaned about the flagrant violation of the constitution by the AG and Judges opinions regarding "concealed in whole or in part".  Countless threads stating that it's always been legal to OC in MS, in direct contrast to the AG, because that's what the LAW said.  I fully realize that my statement of the LAW as it reads is contradicted by the opinions of the AG and LEO groups.  And that we won't truly know the answer until someone actually gets arrested and goes to court.  I just refuse to fall in lock step and say "yes sir" when the MS Code is clear....  Even though the AG briefed that the "any other statutes" applies to "any other firearms statute"...  That's not what it says.  It's in the 97 series of codes (CRIMES) which is the same series as trespassing ..97-17... which reads..(1)  Except as otherwise provided in Section 73-13-103, if any person or persons shall without authority of law...  We find legal interpretations that are overturned in court all of the time because the LAW ends up being very clear.

Again, I certainly respect your viewpoint on this, especially if you are sitting in a room hearing it from the "horse's" mouth.  That means a great deal.  At least we know what law they are circumventing.  We can only become better educated through discussions such as these.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by BBQDawg on Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:18 pm

PlaneMack, I agree with you more than you think, and as you said, I'm only the messenger telling you how they say to interpret it. There is a lot of disagreement right now on the meaning of all this, whether the State Constitution grants open carry, etc. I will say, however, that I am of the opinion that the House Bill 2 statute is poorly written, refers back to some statutes, doesn't refer back to some that it should have for clarification, etc. What should be done is one statute dealing with everything as opposed to a bunch of quick knee jerk type statutes referring back and forth to one another (sometimes) without fully thinking it through. Plus I'm told on top of that, as a result of debate, a number of handwritten changes were quickly added at the last minute to get it passed (so says the AG's office). That all results in poorly written laws that result in more questions than answers to a situation many times.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by marionmedic on Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:10 am

TWO points......

1) "Enhanced Carry" does not have an "I" in it ANYWHERE.

2) Whatever this "IC" is .... it does NOT give you the right to ignore the wishes of property owner.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by RayJay on Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:29 am

Thanks for all the replies. After much reading I think I would not be breakin the law if I carry into a "no guns" store. I however do not want to be the first to test that law in court. I have decide that I need a smaller more concealable weapon. Perhaps one of those little .380's that disappear in a pocket. I love my .38 revolver but it doesn't fit in a pocket so well. Again, thanks for the replies.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by BBQDawg on Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:57 am

IC = Instructor Certified

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by PlaneMack on Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:00 pm

BBQDawg...did the AG group happen to address the wording of the signs in your seminar. Just curious if there's going to be issues over gun laws signs having to be worded properly, but any type of "no gun" signs being enough to convey their opinion of trespassing.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by PlaneMack on Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:17 pm

marionmedic wrote:TWO points......

1) "Enhanced Carry" does not have an "I" in it ANYWHERE.
 
2) Whatever this "IC" is .... it does NOT give you the right to ignore the wishes of property owner.



Errrr....Okay...Just thought these terms were common knowledge on this forum.

1) IC = Instructor Certified which is the sticker affixed to the back of your Firearms Permit after attending the class outlined in 97-37-7 HB506....ergo "Enhanced Carry".

2) The debate over IC allowing you to walk past a "no guns" sign is sparked by AG and LEO opinions that are in direct contrast to the MS Code.  Also, it was commonly taught in the Enhanced Carry classes that your IC sticker allowed this because it is one of the exempted places.  This common thought process all began to change in the past 6 - 12 months as the "open carry" debate drew attention.  As you have read on other threads, it's NOT a simple answer.  The law reads one way yet the law enforcers interpret it a different way.  I'm not saying I agree or disagree, just stating what it says.

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Re: Am I breaking the law?

Post by onlymaroonmatters on Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:40 pm

BBQDawg wrote:IC = Instructor Certified

== I Carry.........everywhere lol 


(Except for the 3 places I mentioned earlier; come August will sometimes carry one of the places)

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Post by BBQDawg on Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:55 pm

Yes, now that you mention, they did address the statutory language on the signs. There was discussion to the effect that there was, they felt,unquestionably presumptive notice if the statutory language was used; disagreement and arguable as to presumptive notice if statutory language was not used. One point brought out was that (without looking at statute) statutory notice dealt I believe with revolvers and handguns and what if someone took something other than one of those such as a long gun. I have not considered and looked at it from that standpoint as to whether they could or not as I have been primarily looking at it from a handgun standpoint. I don't remember whether legal to carry a shorter shotgun or something such as an AR concealed, but it was debated. Also the sign has to be able to be seen clearly from the statutory distance.

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Post by BBQDawg on Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:05 pm

Quite frankly, speaking of the signs, I guess I broke the law myself a couple of weeks ago as I went into a business meeting and it was pointed out at the meeting how they had added a sign about no firearms which I had not noticed. As I was sitting there in the meeting (carrying concealed) I pointed out that it had to be clearly visible and legible from 10 feet, and that I had not noticed it. I did not inform them I was carrying, however. Some in the meeting had seen it and some had not.

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Post by Fugitive on Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:04 am

Sherrif Jim Johnson is a douche  Why would you want to spend money in a business that clearly doesn't want you there?  Go somewhere else if a all possible and tell the posted business why.  I have several copies of an open letter that i drafted for that very purpose.

 Read the above AGs opinion.  It is in reference to county property, but addresses CCWing in posted places. Dang it. Giving a session time out. Click on the link and search "Jim Johnson concealed". It is dated Aug 31, 2011.

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Post by patstar556 on Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:13 am

Fugitive wrote:Sherrif Jim Johnson is a douche  Why would you want to spend money in a business that clearly doesn't want you there?  Go somewhere else if a all possible and tell the posted business why.  I have several copies of an open letter that i drafted for that very purpose.

 Read the above AGs opinion.  It is in reference to county property, but addresses CCWing in posted places.  Dang it.  Giving a session time out.  Click on the link and search "Jim Johnson concealed".  It is dated Aug 31, 2011.

http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/mshb506opinion1.pdf

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Post by Fugitive on Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:14 am

patstar556 wrote:
Fugitive wrote:Sherrif Jim Johnson is a douche  Why would you want to spend money in a business that clearly doesn't want you there?  Go somewhere else if a all possible and tell the posted business why.  I have several copies of an open letter that i drafted for that very purpose.

 Read the above AGs opinion.  It is in reference to county property, but addresses CCWing in posted places.  Dang it.  Giving a session time out.  Click on the link and search "Jim Johnson concealed".  It is dated Aug 31, 2011.

http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/mshb506opinion1.pdf

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