Natchez Trace / PARK CARRY Bills Update

HB0298 survived amended to incorporate the code changes of SB2153. We need to stay on top of this one.

http://billstatus.ls.state.ms.us/2010/pdf/history/HB/HB0298.xml

Mississippi Legislature
2010 Regular Session
House Bill 298
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Bill Text for All Versions
| As Passed the House
| As Introduced

Description: Highway patrol; allow beneficiary of officer or agent killed in line of duty to receive officer's weapon.

Background Information:
Disposition: Active
Deadline: General Bill/Constitutional Amendment
Revenue: No
Vote type required: Majority
Effective date: Passage


History of Actions:
1 01/05 (H) Referred To Judiciary A
2 02/02 (H) Title Suff Do Pass
3 02/09 (H) Amended
4 02/09 (H) Passed As Amended {Vote}
5 02/09 (H) Motion to Reconsider Entered
6 02/11 (H) Motion to Reconsider Tabled
7 02/15 (H) Transmitted To Senate
8 02/16 (S) Referred To Appropriations
9 03/02 (S) Title Suff Do Pass As Amended


Amendments:
| [H] Amendment No 1 Adopted Voice Vote
| [H] Amendment No 2 Adopted {Vote}
| [S] Committee Amendment No 1 Pending


Code Section: A 045-0003-0051

----- Additional Information -----

House Committee: Judiciary A
Senate Committee: Appropriations

Principal Author: McCoy

Title: AN ACT TO AMEND SECTION 45-3-51, MISSISSIPPI CODE OF 1972, TO ALLOW A BENEFICIARY OF AN OFFICER OF THE HIGHWAY PATROL OR BUREAU OF NARCOTICS KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY TO RETAIN THE FIREARM OF SUCH OFFICER OR AGENT; TO AUTHORIZE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OF THE MISSISSIPPI DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO RETAIN A SIDEARM UPON RETIREMENT; AND FOR RELATED PURPOSES.

Information pertaining to this measure was last updated on 03/02/10 at 15:56
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Members of House Judiciary B:

I will never understand the politics of this State or Country. How we can let one person control the proposed legislation of the entire State of Mississippi is simply beyond comprehension? It's the same way in Congress, letting one person control, i.e, Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky, control unemployment and federal benefits. As the Maine Senator, Collins, stated, Bunning was hurting the American people by blocking the passage.

Now, I realize SB 2153 is not of the same magnitude as a federal issue. However, I know many people who tried to call you and/or sent emails in support of this proposal. And once it passed the Senate, I believe you had a duty to the citizens of Mississippi to either add/subtract/amend it or at a bare minimum, get it to the House floor for a vote. If it failed there, then so be it. I would not have an issue.

You choose to stick your head in the sand like an ostrich. Is that what I should teach my kid? To avoid an issue, simply ignore it?

See it doesn't matter which political party you are a part of, simply use common sense and listen to the will of the people. You however, choose not to do this.

I'm very disappointed in you. And now as a result of that disappointment, my money and vote will reflect that opinion in the future.

HB0298 is in the Senate Appropriations committee in pending status. This bill contains all the wording from SB2153.

CONCEALED CARRY IN PARKS AND OTHER PLACES IS NOT DEAD!!!! Be nice to these folks - they are on our side. Let's stay on top of this. Not sure what the next step is in the law making process - maybe someone can clarify.


Appropriations
Alan Nunnelee, Chairman; Doug E. Davis, Vice-Chairman
Members: David Blount; Terry C. Burton; Videt Carmichael; Lydia Graves Chassaniol; Merle Flowers; Hillman Terome Frazier; Tommy A. Gollott; Jack Gordon; Alice Harden; W. Briggs Hopson III; Billy Hudson; Cindy Hyde-Smith; Gary Jackson; Sampson Jackson II; Perry Lee; Ezell Lee; Chris McDaniel; T. O. Moffatt; Haskins Montgomery; Willie Simmons; Bill Stone; Bennie L. Turner; J. P. Wilemon, Jr.

y8urp wrote:HB0298 is in the Senate Appropriations committee in pending status. This bill contains all the wording from SB2153.

CONCEALED CARRY IN PARKS AND OTHER PLACES IS NOT DEAD!!!! Be nice to these folks - they are on our side. Let's stay on top of this. Not sure what the next step is in the law making process - maybe someone can clarify.


Appropriations
Alan Nunnelee, Chairman; Doug E. Davis, Vice-Chairman
Members: David Blount; Terry C. Burton; Videt Carmichael; Lydia Graves Chassaniol; Merle Flowers; Hillman Terome Frazier; Tommy A. Gollott; Jack Gordon; Alice Harden; W. Briggs Hopson III; Billy Hudson; Cindy Hyde-Smith; Gary Jackson; Sampson Jackson II; Perry Lee; Ezell Lee; Chris McDaniel; T. O. Moffatt; Haskins Montgomery; Willie Simmons; Bill Stone; Bennie L. Turner; J. P. Wilemon, Jr.

I did a search on that House Bill and I cannot find the wording that indicates that it is similar to SB2153. It says something about the family retaining the duty weapon of a officer kill in action.

After receiving the bill from the House it was inserted as an amendment in the Senate Appropriations committee. One of the amendment links shows the text from SB2153.

I am a former Tennessee resident and we have most of the same BS restrictions on where permit holders can carry. Anywhere you might actually need to defend yourself is considered a "gun-free" zone. Works out just fine if a thug doesn't mind waiting for you to retrieve your weapon from your locked vehicle before he/she wants to do you harm.

When was the last time a permit holder went ballistic decided they didn't want to wait in line at Wally World so they decided to go on a shooting spree. Unless I have missed something over the last twenty years...permit holders are not the ones committing gun crimes.

This might work after all. If you notice, McCoy is the original author of hb0298. The house will probably look favorably on this when it gets kicked back to them. CALL your represenatives and ask for their support. House originally passed hb0298 so hopefully this will get through. At least it doesn't have to go through jud-b. Lets stay on top of this.

Here is what I received from Representative Evans. Did anyone know anything about this Agriculture Committee problem?


Although you have every right to voice your opinions about anything you choose, I would appreciate it if you would get your facts straight before you excoriate me and other members of House Jud B about something over which we had NO CONTROL.

Because SB 2153 was double referred both to the Agriculture and Jud B House committees, Jud B could not act until the bill was passed out of Agriculture. From what I understand, Agriculture did not even hold a committee meeting pertaining to the bill. As such, even if Jud B had unanimously passed 2153 out of committee, such would have been a useless gesture. To get the bill to the House floor, it HAD to be passed by BOTH Agriculture and Jud B. As such, our Jud B heads were NOT stuck in the sand! We simply could not act in any effective way until Agriculture first passed the bill out. Since that did not happen, we had no recourse.

As to your query about what you should teach your kid, I suggest that you teach her to get all the FACTS before sending demeaning e-mails to persons who are not in any way responsible for what has raised your ire. As far as you using your money and your vote, that’s your privilege.

Bob Evans
Representative for House District 91

Quick Update from Rep. Evans:

I should have gotten my OWN facts straight before I criticized you for not doing the same. House Agriculture had NOTHING to do with the gun bill. I have gotten SO many e-mails regarding the animal cruelty bills that DID die in Agriculture that I guess my brain is stuck on that. So for my misstatement and misplaced discourtesy, I apologize.



The information you received pertaining to the chairman of each committee having control over what is actually presented to each committee is correct. I presume that is what happened with this bill.





Bob Evans

Representative for House District 91

Politics are so damm complex!

Evans sent me a similar email blaming the failure on Agriculture. I responded with the bill status report and an apology for what I thought was my mistake. I wonder if I too will get an apology from him since it appears he is the one who went off half-cocked (pun). My email was apparently a little less forceful than the one he was responding to above.

Yep, here it is:


Please excuse the inaccuracy of my previous mailing. Because I have received SO many excoriating e-mails about the animal cruelty bill that WAS referred both to Agriculture and Jud B and DID die because of Agriculture Committee inaction, I guess my brain, what there is left of it, is still stuck in that mode.



SB 2153 WAS only referred to House Jud B. As per current House rules, the chairman of each committee has absolute control over whether or not any such referred bill is presented to the full committee to which it was referred. Because it was not, to the best of my knowledge, ever presented to the full House Jud B Committee for a vote, I presume that the chairman made the decision not to present it. I do not know his reasoning. I DO know that I had no input in that decision. I’m not trying to pass the buck. Those are the facts as I know them.



Again, sorry about my previous brain freeze.

MattC8444 wrote:I did a search on that House Bill and I cannot find the wording that indicates that it is similar to SB2153. It says something about the family retaining the duty weapon of a officer kill in action.

Go to the link:
http://billstatus.ls.state.ms.us/2010/pdf/history/HB/HB0298.xml

Click on:
Committee Amendment No 1 Pending

You will see full text of amended bill.

Do we need a new thread for HB0298?

Update AGAIN. It does appear we have some life.

SB 2862 just passed the House with an amendment that allows licensed concealed carry ANYWHERE in MS. Now it goes to House/Senate conference committee. Don’t know yet who that will be.

Bob Evans
Representative for House District 91

It looks like SB2862 did pass. It removes the restriction on carry in parks making Miss. law comply with Fed. law on CC in national parks. HB0298 goes much further by removing or modifying restrictions on a number of places currently off-limits to CC. Alan Nunnelee worked with the NRA to find a way to keep the changes alive. Contact your legislators to support both bills.

Received the following from Mark Duvall

", I was also hopeful that this bill would have passed out of committee also, however many on the committee had concerns for allowing firearms in public places like churches and schools to my dismay. I had introduced a simular bill at the beginning of session in the House that also died in committee. Since my district runs the length of the Natchez Trace Parkway from Tupelo to the Alabama state line, I understand the need to transport firearms through National Parks as garanteed by the 2nd Amendment to the US constitution. Since this bill died in committee, I have worked with some other members to amend another bill to get some of the language in it. This process is frustrating much of the time and even moreso when you are serving in the middle of it as I am. I have had my bills die before, but I believe in beating them at their own game (i.e. banning traffic camera tickets), and the rules allow for floor amendments and that is the avenue of attack I plan to take on this issue. I will not get everything from the bill put in the amendment unfortunately because I intend to win my amendment and I am going specifically for concealed carry in public parks... I feel I have the support for passing that. Mark"

While he didn't mention the bill he was trying to amend I assume it is SB2862

I'm watching the senate live and they just passed HB 298 with the amendment for new concealed carry restrictions!

Also, SB 2862 did pass the house yesterday with restrictions on parks (and only parks) removed. Thanks to Mark DuVall and others for putting in the amendment. The language in HB298 is much better, lots of clarifications and removal of restrictions, lets hope it gets pushed on through.

That's excellent news. I assume you mean the entire Senate has voted. If so I guess it goes back to the House before it can go to the Governor.

Yes, the entire senate voted on and passed the amendment and then the bill. Thanks need to go to the Senate Appropriations Committee for adding the amendment.

Please tell me it doesn't have to go back to committee when it goes back to the house, just a vote by the entire house. That Judiciary B chairman needs booted!

According to the web site for the bill, the House committee is Judiciary A for this bill. Don't know if that is good or bad.

Here is a list of the Committee membership.

Edward Blackmon, Jr., Chairman; Angela Cockerham, Vice-Chairman
Members: Mark Baker; Earle S. Banks; Charles Jim Beckett; Gary Chism; Bryant W. Clark; Linda F. Coleman; J. P. Compretta; Bill Denny; Tyrone Ellis; Andy Gipson; Philip Gunn; D. Stephen Holland; Robert L. Johnson III; Bobby Moak; Harvey Moss; David Norquist; Jimmy Puckett; Thomas U. Reynolds; Walter L. Robinson, Jr.; Margaret Rogers; Greg Snowden; Jessica Upshaw; Percy W. Watson