Conccealed carry and open carry

Hammer,

I wasn't replying to you directly but trying to make a reply in the context of the entire topic....especially to those who claim they can OC because they have a permit....I don't think many who try it will get away with it long, nor do I think those who talk of such will organize a protest...guess I was taunting.....that's evil on a forum right?

See your point.

msredneck wrote:Simple...if U believe Open Carry is legal in MS...Go do it...Get a bunch of folks and go do it...make a statement....an open carry tea-party...

Personally...I'm going to exercise my rights per the law.

I'm confused, what rights are you excersizing per the law?

U need to read the whole thread I guess to get the gist of things...my right to carry concealed as per a MS firearms permit.

This thread has been going around and around....much like the wording in the law... There are some who beleive you can openly carry a handgun in this state....simply not true...This is what is being bantered around in this topic.

You can't just read one or 2 posts at the end...you gotta start at the begining....

I've noticed that our OC folk have disappeared....

Trust me I wish Mississippi was an Open Carry State...100% for it....but we aint there yet...Depending on where you live...you might be able to get away with it

In Hinds and Rankin Cty, I'd advise against it and carry concealed like a MS firearms permit allows you to do, provided you stay out of forbidden places like schools, bars etc.

Which leads back around to the question at hand, what it considered concealed or open? An OWB holster partially conceals the weapon. One side of the weapon is against your body, so one side is concealed. Like I said earlier, until an explanatory ruling is made by the MS courts, there is no black and white answer.

According to the Yazoo county sherriff, if I have a permit, I can carry any which way I want to, completely concealed, or in a holster in plain sight, since the wording of the law is the way it is.

I am not sure what it would cost to hire a lawyer to file a motion for an explanatory ruling, but would anyone be willing to chip in to hire a lawyer to file one?

The problem in MS as I understand it is: There is no constitutional provision or statute which expressly authorizes open carry nor is there any constitutional provision or statute which expressly prohibits open carry. Thus, those efforts at restricting open carry generally follow the court case cited above to the effect that any partial concealment of a firearm constitutes concealed carry and is thus regulated, or those efforts to restrict the practice rely upon prohibitions against creating a public nuniance, public disturbance, etc. to justify an arrest of someone open carrying. Police in Jackson may well react differently to someone openly carrying than an officer in a small rural community who knows the person carrying openly. The bottom line appears to be that if you choose to open carry, you are taking a chance that in some places or some jurisdictions you may be arrested, and you will not be able to point to a constitutional provision or statute authorizing open carry for a defense to whatever charge you face.

SingingRiver...very well put and welcome

You OC folks better read up

msredneck wrote:You OC folks better read up

I have been "reading up" for a while and I will continue carrying the same way as I have been carrying; OWB thumbbreak holster unless I am working which requires CC.

I have been OCing for a while down on the coasts of both MS and AL. I am confident that I am not breaking any laws, but at the same time, when I OC in public, I have a well hidden DVR recording continuously.

msredneck, it sure sounds to me like you are the one who is afraid to OC and therefore are trying to discourage others from doing so...Maybe I'm wrong.

carry concealed like a MS firearms permit allows you to do,

A MS Firearms permit allows you to carry either partially concealed (considered open in other states) or completely concealed.

I think he is making the point that what you can do in south Miss. others would be harrased in other parts of the state. This is an issue that till we can get an universal ruling will not be applied evenly across the state, we are on the same side just diffrent points of view.

Ironworker wrote:I think he is making the point that what you can do in south Miss. others would be harrased in other parts of the state. This is an issue that till we can get an universal ruling will not be applied evenly across the state, we are on the same side just diffrent points of view.

If I am ever in the Hinds/Rankin co areas and not working, I will be carrying just like I do here on the coast. If I get harrassed, then so-be-it, it will be posted here and at OCDO.

I have been told many times by friends & family that I will get arrested if I carry like I do into the Pascagoula WalMart...It just doesn't happen like that, but I could very well get harrassed tomorrow, but I doubt it.
The chances of us getting harrassed is directly related to our appearance (don't dress like a hoodlum) and our body language (be confident and don't act like a hoodlum).

Mississippian,

1st let me say....I'm with you in principal...so chill, but you sound angry.

Organize a group and come to Jxn and walk around...you'll make the news.

Yeah you have the "right" but the law is against you this time.

My manhood is not all tied up in this thing...I consider it a "tactical advantage" to be concealed...I got nothing to prove

Better find a lawyer...I will say no more....Peace

I am going to start "open carryin" around the place and when my wife and I walk or ride our bicycles on back country roads, concealed holsters are NOT comfortable on a bicycle. Will continue concealed when going into town. I like the advantage of surprise concealed gives me. I also support your position and hope all stays well with you.

msredneck wrote:Mississippian,

1st let me say....I'm with you in principal...so chill, but you sound angry.

Organize a group and come to Jxn and walk around...you'll make the news.

Yeah you have the "right" but the law is against you this time.

My manhood is not all tied up in this thing...I consider it a "tactical advantage" to be concealed...I got nothing to prove

Better find a lawyer...I will say no more....Peace

Ok

Frank wrote:I have been told of people getting in trouble open carrying here in MS. I was told one person was arested for open carrying in the Walmart at Barnes crossing in Tupelo.

I really think i depends on which LEO checks you out. It definately needs to be cleared up by the legislature since it was ruled that a gun in a holster is partially concealed.

Doesn't the wal-mart in Barnes Crossing state "no handguns" on the door? I thought the one in Madison did as well. It does state that on the doors of the Mall at Barnes Crossing. I have carried in both the WM and in the mall, but it has always been Concealed (IWB). I didn't realize it was illegal until I just happened to see it posted on the doors.

I'm personally REALLY leery about "open" carry anywhere in public, as there are just too many anti-gun twits out there, and I really don't want to draw attention to it. You guys are right, though, the less clarification of the "open carry" or gunslinger law, the more hassle they can give you if they decide to do so.

I've also caught myself about to enter the post office, or courthouse (doing errands or redoing plates), and realized i needed to get my butt back to the truck and put that sucker up. I imagine it could turn into a real nightmare for you if you went into Walmart or somewhere it was posted and got caught, though.

I think all of this talk is Phsyco babble. Do not give the sheep a reason tto hate us! Keep the gun concealed a be happy. Stand up for your right, but do it in the right way. Dont push issues like a school yard chap. CC only

Stand up for your right, but do it in the right way. Dont push issues like a school yard chap. CC only

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You do not have the right to conceal carry. You have the privilage of concealed carry after you get permission from the state gov. which can take a long time if someone needs to be able to defend themselves.

Unconcealed or partially concealed or open carrying or whatever you want to call it is not for everyone, just because you don't want to, don't look down on others who do.

I will continue to OC.

"I give myself" permission to defend myself...regardless

Ya'll don't get too unruly now...

Doesn't the wal-mart in Barnes Crossing state "no handguns" on the door? I thought the one in Madison did as well. It does state that on the doors of the Mall at Barnes Crossing. I have carried in both the WM and in the mall, but it has always been Concealed (IWB). I didn't realize it was illegal until I just happened to see it posted on the doors.

TheWalMart at Barnes Crossing does not have a no hand guns sign.
Frank

I have a permit. I just look at open carry as trying to bully a antigun/gun ignorant person into accepting guns. I think it is great to carry, and that we should introduce everyone into the wonderfull world of firearms. I think that they should be broken in slowly though. Not saying you do this, but I also think many people that open carry dreamed of being a Cop, but they never fullfilled that dream.