Surplus AP Ammo

by mikey67 on Sun May 02, 2010 4:24 pm

Saw that the CMP will not ship any of the Greek AP 30-06 to Mississippi. Didn't know it was illegal(don't have any). Statues made it pretty clear. Can't get the wine I like shipped here either! Damnit!

by Doug Bowser on Sun May 02, 2010 7:04 pm

mikey67 wrote:Saw that the CMP will not ship any of the Greek AP 30-06 to Mississippi. Didn't know it was illegal(don't have any). Statues made it pretty clear. Can't get the wine I like shipped here either! Damnit!

I just left the CMP website. I see no mention of AP Greek ammo. The ammo attracts a magnet because it has a mild steel jacket ore core. Where did you see it? I know of no law that prevents anyone from owning rifle AP rounds in Federal Law or Mississippi Law.

Doug

by mikey67 on Sun May 02, 2010 7:14 pm

MISSISSIPPI CODE OF 1972
As Amended

SEC. 97-37-31. Silencers on firearms; armor piercing ammunition; manufacture, sale, possession or use unlawful.

It shall be unlawful for any person, persons, corporation or manufacturing establishment, not duly authorized under federal law, to make, manufacture, sell or possess any instrument or device which, if used on firearms of any kind, will arrest or muffle * * * the report of said firearm when shot or fired or armor piercing ammunition as defined in federal law. * * * Any person * * * violating this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, shall be fined * * * not more than Five Hundred Dollars ($500.00), or imprisoned in the penitentiary not * * * more than thirty (30) days, or both. All such instruments or devices shall be registered with the Department of Public Safety and any law enforcement agency in possession of such instruments or devices shall submit an annual inventory of such instruments and devices to the Department of Public Safety. The Commissioner of Public Safety shall document the information required by this section.

SOURCES: Codes, Hemingway's 1917, Secs. 1110 et seq.; 1930, Sec. 1139; 1942, Sec. 2376; Laws, 1910, ch. 139. Amended by Laws 2000, Ch. 496, Sec. 1, SB2680, eff. July 1, 2000.

by mikey67 on Sun May 02, 2010 7:18 pm

Here is the CMP statement: #1 Yesterday, 10:26 AM
Orest
CMP Chief Operating Officer Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Anniston, AL
Posts: 1,019

AP ammo - will not ship to the following:

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The decision to not ship AP ammo to a particular state or territory is based either on a clear prohibition against AP ammo or on broad wording of the appropriate statute coupled with the official attitude of the courts and law enforcement in that state or territory. CMP will not ship AP ammo to any of the following: Hawaii, Illinois, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Tennessee, District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, California, Louisiana, Michigan, and Rhode Island.
The .30-06 AP ammo that we will have available in 2-3 weeks shows headstamps to be: AYR, SL, TW, LC, HXP. Dates of manufacture vary from the 1940s to the 1950s. Most of the ammo is corrosive, but some may be non-corrosive. The ammo is packaged in 8 round M1 Garand enbloc clips, in bandoleers, in spam cans. Cans may be purchased individually or in what we suspect are the original wooden crates (two spam cans per crate). Cans and crates will be selected luck of the draw as to the headstamp.
4C3006U202-192P. Single spam can (192 rounds). $60.00.
4C3006U202-384. Wooden crate containing 2 spam cans (384 rounds). $120.00.

by **captain-03** on Sun May 02, 2010 7:20 pm

Doug Bowser wrote:I just left the CMP website. I see no mention of AP Greek ammo. The ammo attracts a magnet because it has a mild steel jacket ore core. Where did you see it? I know of no law that prevents anyone from owning rifle AP rounds in Federal Law or Mississippi Law. Doug

Doug - O. Michaels posted it on the CMP forum --

http://www.thecmp.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14756

Will not ship to Mississippi!! For about .32 a round with reloadable brass, I was wanting to order a couple cans. Want ship to LA or TN either!!!!

Anyone ready for a trip to the South Store???

by nonnieselman on Mon May 03, 2010 9:02 am

captain-03 wrote:
Doug Bowser wrote:I just left the CMP website. I see no mention of AP Greek ammo. The ammo attracts a magnet because it has a mild steel jacket ore core. Where did you see it? I know of no law that prevents anyone from owning rifle AP rounds in Federal Law or Mississippi Law. Doug

Doug - O. Michaels posted it on the CMP forum --

http://www.thecmp.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14756

Will not ship to Mississippi!! For about .32 a round with reloadable brass, I was wanting to order a couple cans. Want ship to LA or TN either!!!!

Anyone ready for a trip to the South Store???

For 32 cents a round,, im in capt!!
When we leaving?

by 1985 4runner on Mon May 03, 2010 10:06 am

Funny, the CMP shipped that very same surplus Greek 30.06 ammo to my door in Gulfport MS last year & I have a current order for another 240 rounds that has been paid and pending shipment.

I think there might be some misinformation here.

The ammo has a steel core & attracts a magnet, but is not AP. Here it is:

by **captain-03** on Mon May 03, 2010 10:24 am

1985 4runner wrote:Funny, the CMP shipped that very same surplus Greek 30.06 ammo to my door in Gulfport MS last year & I have a current order for another 240 rounds that has been paid and pending shipment.

I think there might be some misinformation here.

Nope no misinformation ... CMP WILL ship M-2 to your door all day long!! but will NOT ship the AP!! Go figure???

Think they they got into some "warm" water several years back when they got the first batch of M-2 HXP from Greece. They would ship the HXP in the original wooden crates as received from Greece. However, it was discovered that some of the wooden crates were mislabled and actually contained AP and/or tracer ammo and was shipped as M-2 ball ammo (what was labeled on the crate) .. since many states do not permit the sale of AP or tracer ammo, CMP was actually in violation of several state's laws. To remedy this issue, CMP stopped shipping in the original wooden crates and started opening every crate and inspecting the contents before shipping.

Recently, CMP was told by the state of NJ that they were in violation of state law by shipping Garands directly to the buyer without going through an FFL. (CMP has never been able to ship M1 Carbine to NJ). Now NJ buyers must provide CMP with a copy of the FFL where they desire the garand to be shipped.

Just too many different state laws out there and CMP seems to be taking the "safe" side.

by Doug Bowser on Mon May 03, 2010 10:27 am

If you buy corrosive ammo, I would not reload the brass. The corrosive salts can stay in the brass and corrode your bore, when reloaded and fired. Also some corrosive priming will cause deterioration of the brass and can cause catastrophic failure of the brass cases when fired.

The Mississippi Law copies the Federal Law and no AP ammo for the .30-06 rifle is illegal to possess. The CMP is simply doing the old CYA routine.

Doug Bowser

by **captain-03** on Mon May 03, 2010 10:35 am

Doug Bowser wrote:...The Mississippi Law copies the Federal Law and no AP ammo for the .30-06 rifle is illegal to possess. The CMP is simply doing the old CYA routine. Doug Bowser

Agreed - There is no law in MS which prohibits the "possession" or sale "within the state" of AP ammo. However, it is my understanding that CMP believes that there is something in our laws regarding the "importation" of AP into the state via mailorder ....

by 1985 4runner on Mon May 03, 2010 1:59 pm

captain-03 wrote:
1985 4runner wrote:Funny, the CMP shipped that very same surplus Greek 30.06 ammo to my door in Gulfport MS last year & I have a current order for another 240 rounds that has been paid and pending shipment.

I think there might be some misinformation here.

Nope no misinformation ... CMP WILL ship M-2 to your door all day long!! but will NOT ship the AP!! Go figure???

Think they they got into some "warm" water several years back when they got the first batch of M-2 HXP from Greece. They would ship the HXP in the original wooden crates as received from Greece. However, it was discovered that some of the wooden crates were mislabled and actually contained AP and/or tracer ammo and was shipped as M-2 ball ammo (what was labeled on the crate) .. since many states do not permit the sale of AP or tracer ammo, CMP was actually in violation of several state's laws. To remedy this issue, CMP stopped shipping in the original wooden crates and started opening every crate and inspecting the contents before shipping.

Recently, CMP was told by the state of NJ that they were in violation of state law by shipping Garands directly to the buyer without going through an FFL. (CMP has never been able to ship M1 Carbine to NJ). Now NJ buyers must provide CMP with a copy of the FFL where they desire the garand to be shipped.

Just too many different state laws out there and CMP seems to be taking the "safe" side.

The CMP Sales website lists the following 30.06 ammo for sale: (which is the ammo I am refering to earlier)

4C3006X211-240P - M2 Ball, .30-06, Greek HXP (Pyrkal) manufacture. Packaged 20 rds per box, 12 boxes per spam can - 240 rounds. Boxer primed, non-corrosive. Headstamp varies HXP62-HXP80. THIS AMMO ATTRACTS A MAGNET. Weight is 21 lbs per can. $120.00 per can plus S&H - S&H $15.95 per can - to Alaska & Hawaii - $25.95 per can

http://thecmp.org/ammosales.htm

Is this not the AP ammo this thread is in reference to? I ask because I don't see where it lists any AP ammo for sale actually.

by mikey67 on Mon May 03, 2010 2:11 pm

Different ammo, this AP is corrosive and not yet listed for sale. M2 Ball is still OK AFAIK.

by **captain-03** on Mon May 03, 2010 2:13 pm

1985 4runner wrote:..Is this not the AP ammo this thread is in reference to? I ask because I don't see where it lists any AP ammo for sale actually.

Correct - the AP is not yet listed on the website ... but will be available in the near future .. according to CMP ... You can still get the M-2 HXP delivered to your door ...

by 1985 4runner on Mon May 03, 2010 2:21 pm

Sounds good.

If someone wants to make a trip over to Anniston to get some let me know.
For what it's worth, this is what I know 30.06 AP ammo to look like:

by **captain-03** on Mon May 03, 2010 2:25 pm

Yep -- the black tip!!

by nonnieselman on Mon May 03, 2010 2:50 pm

I want some cause it looks cool... thumbs up

by Rem 3200 on Mon May 03, 2010 4:16 pm

Why would you want corrosive ammo. thinking

by 1985 4runner on Mon May 03, 2010 4:52 pm

Rem 3200 wrote:Why would you want corrosive ammo.

Nothing wrong with shooting it if you clean your rifle properly afterwards.

I store a couple cases of corrosive 7.62x39 just in case of SHTF. I don't normally shoot it.

by **captain-03** on Mon May 03, 2010 5:54 pm

Rem 3200 wrote:Why would you want corrosive ammo.

Normally real cheap for the old milsurps .... just a good cleaning needed~~

by Rem 3200 on Mon May 03, 2010 6:28 pm

Doug Bowser wrote:If you buy corrosive ammo, I would not reload the brass. The corrosive salts can stay in the brass and corrode your bore, when reloaded and fired. Also some corrosive priming will cause deterioration of the brass and can cause catastrophic failure of the brass cases when fired. Doug Bowser

To much non-corrosive ammo around to fool around with corrosive. I'm still sitting on aprox. 1500 rounds of non-corrosive 1962 to 68 LC M-2. That will reload for a long, long time.
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