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CCW on Corp land and reservoirs.

Post by Redvalic on Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:56 pm

Is that allowed under the state park changes? I would like to carry my pistol when on Sardis due to some recent criminal pirate like activity in the area (Thefts, robberys, etc) any idea if that is legal?

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Re: CCW on Corp land and reservoirs.

Post by mstrsippy on Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:42 am

I would be interested in the answer to this one also. I sometimes fish Sardis, alone, at night.

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Re: CCW on Corp land and reservoirs.

Post by NRA_guy on Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:15 am

Here you go:

February 22, 2010
New Federal Law Pertaining To Firearms on National Park/National Wildlife Service Lands Is Not Applicable at USACE Projects and Facilities
All -- a new law regarding firearms on some specific federal properties takes effect next week. This is not new information for us, and we have been reviewing it for quite a while. Counsel has been fully engaged. We offer the following guidance:

1. Section 512 of the Credit Card Act of 2009 (Public Law 111-024) pertains to possession of firearms and allows an individual to possess an assembled or functional firearm in any unit of the National Park Service or National Wildlife Refuge System provided that the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm and the possession is in compliance with the law of the State in which the National Park/Refuge is located. This law becomes effective on 22 February 2010 on property under the jurisdiction of the National Park Service or the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

2. Public Law 111-024 does not apply to Corps projects or facilities. The passage of this new law does not affect application of Title 36 regulations (36 C.F.R., Chapter III, Part 327, Rules and Regulations Governing Public Use of COE Water Resources Development Projects). 36 C.F.R. § 327.13(a) prohibits the possession of loaded firearms or ammunition on lands and waters administered by the Corps unless one of the exceptions in 36 C.F.R. § 327.13(a)(1)-(4) applies. The full text of 36 C.F.R. can be viewed on the NRM Gateway at: http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/employees/visitassist/pdfs/title36.pdf.

3. 36 C.F.R. § 327.13 remains in full force and effect. It will continue to prohibit loaded concealed weapons on Corps properties regardless of the new law and notwithstanding any contrary provisions of State law. It remains Corps policy that we will not honor State-issued concealed weapon permits on our facilities and that District Commanders do not have discretion under 36 C.F.R. § 327.13(a)(4) to create blanket exceptions to this policy. A change of this nature to Corps regulations in 36 C.F.R. Part 327 would require formal rulemaking procedures under the Administrative Procedures Act (5 U.S.C. §§ 551-706).

4. It is incumbent upon us to communicate and reinforce our firearms regulation with our visitors and partners, which may include posting park entrances with No Firearms signs IAW the Corps sign manual (EP 310-1-6a and EP 310-1-6b) and taking other actions deemed necessary by Operations Project Managers as coordinated appropriately with other Corps elements. Information related to this matter will also be posted for public awareness on the NRM Gateway.

5. HQUSACE POCs for this matter are Stephen Austin, Natural Resources Manager, Operations (for Visitor Assistance policy and program administration information), 202-761-4489, stephen.b.austin@usace.army.mil; and Milt Boyd, Assistant Counsel, Office of Chief Counsel (for regulatory questions on federal lands) at 202-761-8546, Milton.W.Boyd@usace.army.mil.

Provided for your attention and appropriate action.
Michael G. Ensch, SES


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Re: CCW on Corp land and reservoirs.

Post by mstrsippy on Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:31 am

Title 36 -- Parks, Forests, and Public Property
CHAPTER 111 -- U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS
PART 327--RULES AND REGULATIONS GOVERNING PUBLIC USE OF WATER RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ADMINISTERED BY THE CHIEF OF ENGINEERS


327.13 Explosives, firearms, other weapons and fireworks.
(a) The possession of loaded firearms, ammunition, loaded projectile firing devices, bows and arrows, crossbows, or other weapons is prohibited unless:
(1) In the possession of a Federal, state or local law enforcement officer;
(2) Being used for hunting or fishing as permitted under 327.8, with devices being unloaded when transported to, from or between hunting and fishing sites;
(3) Being used at authorized shooting ranges; or
(4) Written permission has been received from the District Commander.
(b) Possession of explosives or explosive devices of any kind, including fireworks or other pyrotechnics, is prohibited unless written permission has been received from the District Commander.

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Re: CCW on Corp land and reservoirs.

Post by SHANE704 on Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:27 am

DONT ASK, DONT TELL!!!

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Re: CCW on Corp land and reservoirs.

Post by TheGreatGonzo on Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:59 am

SHANE704 wrote:DONT ASK, DONT TELL!!!


You can make it ryme....

Don't ask, don't tell;
Get caught, go to jail;
Lose your permit, that ain't swell;
But I'm feeling lucky, so what the hell; greeting

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Re: CCW on Corp land and reservoirs.

Post by SHANE704 on Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:20 pm

haha...thats pretty good

but im stickin with my guns on this (pun intended) ide rather have it incase I really need it than be stuck with out it in a bad situation. Ill take my chances...

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Re: CCW on Corp land and reservoirs.

Post by CAJNFRND on Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:58 pm

Where does Flynt Creek Waterpark in Wiggins fall? Is it State or Corps of Engineers??

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Re: CCW on Corp land and reservoirs.

Post by NRA_guy on Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:47 am

Does not appear to be a Corps facility:

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If you don't see the red Corps castle, you are not on a Corps managed facility.


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