Think I may have scored today.

Am in Tennessee doing the worlds longest garage sale thing. Drove about 100 miles today looking for guns and guitars. Saw a lot of guns that were in non firing condition. At the end of the day came up on one of the big ones and went to check it out. There was a guy there with a load of weapons of all types, handguns, rifles, antiques, all in great condition and going at bargain basement prices. Said over the years his brother had put all his money into guns and he was selling some of them for him. Looked em over and saw two I would like to have. One was a Tauras 357 NIB. The other was a euro arms 1858 3 Band Enfield. I decided just on the Enfield today so we haggled a little bit and I walked away with it, in almost mint condition (There is a little wear on the shoulder stock) for 120 dollars. I took it to the car and decided to go back and get the Tauras but it was already under another guys arm. He got it for 100 bucks.

Earlier in the day I was at another location and some guy had 5 or 6 Civil War era rifles. One was an 1862 Springfield contract gun (Thats what he said it was). It will never fire again but cosmetically it looked like it would be a nice wall hanger. He was asking 800 because there was a name of a Private carved in the stock. He had no provenance. I mentioned to him that anyone at anytime could have put that there. He disagreed.

Anyway, I think I got a great deal, whats everyone elses opinion?

I hope you are a TN resident. Fun to buy guns. Admitting to violating federal firearms laws in a public forum not so fun. Not trying to be a jerk with these comments.

gunluvinatty wrote:I hope you are a TN resident. Fun to buy guns. Admitting to violating federal firearms laws in a public forum not so fun. Not trying to be a jerk with these comments.

Not against any Federal law to buy a long gun across state lines, just handguns. And one made before 1890 like the Enfield (it's considered an antique) doesn't have to go to a FFL to be bought and shipped across state lines through the mail. How is a face to face sell any different?

It is legal to buy muzzle loaders across state lines, even repros. You cannot legally buy, across State lines, a long arm or handgun manufactured after 1898, from a private individual, without holding an FFL . You may buy long arms from a dealer in any State where the State Laws allow you to. The exceptions are Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois and California.

Doug Bowser

Doug's answer is better than mine. Sorry, I did not pay attention to the date or type of the long gun. My apologies.

Another don't ask, don't tell moment.

Leopardcurdog wrote:Another don't ask, don't tell moment.

Doug Bowser wrote:It is legal to buy muzzle loaders across state lines, even repros. You cannot legally buy, across State lines, a long arm or handgun manufactured after 1898, from a private individual, without holding an FFL . You may buy long arms from a dealer in any State where the State Laws allow you to. The exceptions are Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois and California.

Doug Bowser

So could you buy it yourself. And then ship it to your ffl yourself and pick it up at home as long as you didn't drive across the state line with it?

What if you already owned it and moved would you still have to go through an ffl?

and what if a guy from tn was in ms and decieded to sell his gun.. coudl you buy it.. b/c you aren't taking it across state lines then?

chburnham wrote:

Doug Bowser wrote:It is legal to buy muzzle loaders across state lines, even repros. You cannot legally buy, across State lines, a long arm or handgun manufactured after 1898, from a private individual, without holding an FFL . You may buy long arms from a dealer in any State where the State Laws allow you to. The exceptions are Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois and California.

Doug Bowser

So could you buy it yourself. And then ship it to your ffl yourself and pick it up at home as long as you didn't drive across the state line with it? Yes

What if you already owned it and moved would you still have to go through an ffl?NO

and what if a guy from tn was in ms and decieded to sell his gun.. coudl you buy it.. b/c you aren't taking it across state lines then?

[b][u] Still a resident of the other state...this is still a no no

Answered in quote above

Not against the law to buy Black Powder guns and take them anywhere. Now if I would have bought the Tauras, I would have paid the state Tax and brought it back legally, whatever had to be done. It cannot possibly be that hard to bring a gun from Tennessee or Alabama to MS. Plus I have an address here in Tenn. My mother in laws.

Found a lot of good guns today. One a wanted to buy pretty bad but had to walk away from. A Nylon 66. In really good condition. $400.00. Too much for me for that gun.

Clearly Im ignorant of the law. But I wont be because I plan on thoroughly schooling myself in the next 4 weeks, at least on the states I visit frequently and I plan on applying for an FFL. But I will say, although illegal, you can certainly just walk up and change cash for guns at this sale with no paperwork. I wont be doing it, unless its Black Powder. I do have a question for those in the know though.

Is this legal?
Scenario: I go to a pawn shop here in Tennessee. I find a gun I want but of course cannot buy because I am a MS resident. My brother in law (my wifes family is all here, they live in Dayton TN) buys the gun. When he comes to visit me in MS, he carries the gun with him and sells it to me. Any law broken here?

TIA
Jeff

TankerHC wrote:Scenario: I go to a pawn shop here in Tennessee. I find a gun I want but of course cannot buy because I am a MS resident. My brother in law (my wifes family is all here, they live in Dayton TN) buys the gun. When he comes to visit me in MS, he carries the gun with him and sells it to me. Any law broken here?

TIA
Jeff

Yes. The same law is broken that has been the point of this whole discussion. As a TN resident, he cannot legally sell you, a MS resident (or any resident of any state other than TN) a handgun, regardless of where the physical transfer takes place.
Gonzo

I should have noted the particular gun I am talking about isnt a handgun, its a rifle.

Looking at the Enfield on EuroArms website, its not a Model 1858, its a Pattern 1853.

Is this legal?
Scenario: I go to a pawn shop here in Tennessee. I find a gun I want but of course cannot buy because I am a MS resident. My brother in law (my wifes family is all here, they live in Dayton TN) buys the gun. When he comes to visit me in MS, he carries the gun with him and sells it to me. Any law broken here?

TIA
Jeff[/quote]what if it was a gift from the brother in law

YES!
That would be considered a "straw purchase" Not saying it cant be done, but illegal. If anyone is considering any of these tactics to obtain firearms I would suggest NOT discussing them openly on a public forum.

so could hubcap and his brother inlaw meet at a FFL and have it transfered to him? that would be legal huh?

As this has taken more of a 'gun laws' turn, I am moving it to the 'gun laws' area.