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Post by Caleb C on Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:36 am

I was thinking of getting a table at one of the upcoming Great Southern Gun and Knife shows. Helen Bean, who books for the show, informed me that I wouldn't need an FFL to sell firearms at the show. This seems a bit strange. Anyone know the laws regarding this?

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Re: selling guns at a gun show

Post by JMS39339 on Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:19 pm

Not sure about laws but every Great Southern show I go to has some tables that are occupied by private individuals selling. I don't see any issue with it. It's no different than you making a FTF transaction on here. It just gives you a venue to show your merchandise.

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Re: selling guns at a gun show

Post by NRA_guy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:41 am

Used to be very common, but not as much nowadays.

I am pretty sure that legally you are OK (but I am no lawyer and don't play one on TV.)

I bought an SKS from an individual with no FFL at a Jackson gun show about 5 years ago. Handed him the cash; he handed me the gun.

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Re: selling guns at a gun show

Post by SubGunFan on Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:59 am

You should ask to see their DL to make sure they are a MS resident.

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Re: selling guns at a gun show

Post by Doug Bowser on Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:02 am

SubGunFan wrote:You should ask to see their DL to make sure they are a MS resident.

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+1 on that. Also record their license info. If a gun is hot and you buy it at a show, it is helpful to have proof of where you bought it. Don't sell at shows outside your State, unless you are selling to an FFL holder.

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Re: selling guns at a gun show

Post by Shooter on Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:08 am

Doug Bowser wrote:
SubGunFan wrote:You should ask to see their DL to make sure they are a MS resident.

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+1 on that. Also record their license info. If a gun is hot and you buy it at a show, it is helpful to have proof of where you bought it. Don't sell at shows outside your State, unless you are selling to an FFL holder.

Doug


Lately there have been a few BATFE Stings involving FTF sales at Gun Shows. The people who got burned are to ones who didn't ask to see proof of age and residence. As Doug stated a Face-To-Face deal is only legal in your state of residence and to another resident.

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Re: selling guns at a gun show

Post by Caleb C on Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:33 am

good to know.

thanks guys

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Re: selling guns at a gun show

Post by NRA_guy on Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:47 am

The only age issue is selling handguns to someone under 21---right?

I Googled and found this pretty good information regarding out of state purchases:

Rifle, shotgun: Yes, from an FFL only, and you can take possession then, if no state waiting requirements. No face-to-face non-FFL sales.

Handgun: Yes, from an FFL only, but you have to have it shipped to a NM FFL to take possession. No face-to-face non-FFL sales.


And this from a BATF web site that has changed URL since originally quoted:


B. UNLICENSED PERSONS

(B1) To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA?

A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]

(B2) From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA?

A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]

(B3) May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-State source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s own State?

A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-State source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser's State of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and 922(b)(3)]

Shipping Methods:

B7) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?

A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]

(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

(B9) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?

Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.

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Re: selling guns at a gun show

Post by pinetor on Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:20 pm

I bought a gun at the show .. back in June. The guy was just an individual trying to rid himself of some excess guns and stuff. The table I think cost him $300 mine and one other sale were all he had to show for it.


If you DO get a table.. it makes me wonder. I would not mind putting some gun parts up (not full guns). Depending on what you are trying to do it might make things go smoother ( watch the table while you hit the head), and help with table costs. Let us know.

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Re: selling guns at a gun show

Post by BladeZealot on Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:19 pm

Unless it's changed, as long as it is not your livelyhood an FFL is not required.

You can get the guy's DL, as has been suggested, for your own piece of mind. That's what a bud does {and records it}. A table is 60-70.00 or so for the weekend.

The show next weekend is the Original Jackson Gun Show put on by Bill Milstead. Good guy.

I don't have his number, but he is in the Jackson phone book. Call him up and he'll be glad to book you a table. If you have any questions, pm me and I'll answer them if I can.

I used to have an FFL and have set up at the shows in the past. I still help friends from time to time with their tables. Hence seeing me behind them at various shows.


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