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High End 1911's

Post by msredneck on Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:54 pm

Lets talk High end 1911's for a spell...when I say High end I mean guns that start in the 2K plus range.

makers that come to mind are Les Baer, (one of my fav's, but don't own one yet) Wilson Combat, Nighthawk Custom.

Of course they all have many different models....

I've always lusted after a really really nice 1911 but have not thrown down for one...So who's got one, had one etc....

are they worth the $ or is it just style points and marketing hype....

I know we got at least one Les Baer owner on here...feel free to discuss any other high end makers I left out....lets keep it to 1911 guns that we know are 2K and up

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by bwswanson on Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:16 pm

The only Les Baer I would buy is a 5". I would not buy a commander from him. Limited options if you want to customize.

You forgot Ed Brown. Again limited customize option but more than Les.

For the money don't forget Springfield Custom Shop.

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by lwilf on Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:21 pm

Why pay that when you can get a Kimber?

I can't imagine a pistol shooting any better...

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by powerstrokin06 on Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:09 pm

lwilf wrote:Why pay that when you can get a Kimber?

I can't imagine a pistol shooting any better...

HA!! Now that ther is some funnE chit!! thumbs up I hope to one day soon own a SA Professional.. Of course Gemini Customs make some wild 11's also....Hell neck we just need to quit buying $5 and 600 guns and go on and purchase that dream piece we really want....

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by bubbat on Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:49 pm

I am going to agree with lwilf, I can't see putting $2000 plus into a 1911 when a Kimber or Springfield will shoot just as well.

No doubt the fit and finish of Wilson,Nighthawk or Brown custom is better and I guess that's what you are paying for,plus the name engraved on the slide. I would rather have 3 Springfields for the price of one high end 1911.

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by Xd357 on Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:04 am

Well $2000 really don't touch a custom 1911. You can get a nice semi-custom for that.

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by DBChaffin on Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:39 am

To me it's not just fit and finish, it is also the quality of the parts. Too much cast and MIM in Kimbers, Springfields, and most other "standard grade" 1911's for me. I'm not saying I wouldn't own one; most of the parts can be replaced without too much trouble, and I have done that in the past. Most people probably don't care and won't have problems with them, but some will and it is unacceptable to me.

Rather than a Baer, Wilson, Brown, or other small production or "semi-custom" (as xd said) maker, I personally prefer a true custom built by a single gunsmith. That way I can get it "my way" and not be limited to a short list of factory options. While great guns, I can point to something I don't like about all of them. I am pickier than most though I admit.

I'd had Marc at Gemini Customs flute a couple guide rods for me but never had a gun built by him, I am however in the process of having a full custom built by Rich Dettelhouser at Canyon Creek Custom: http://www.canyoncreekcustom.com/
Every individual part was hand picked, mostly by me with some input from Rich, and most of them were hand fit by Rich. I had him send it to me "in the white" so that we can be sure it is just right before having the finish applied. The only downside I see to this is double shipping, (and having to send it back!). I haven't sent it back yet...

Going the full custom route isn't for everyone. Who cares? It's like picking out cars. We all have differing opinions and preferences. I'm certain everyone here won't love my custom when it is done, but I could care less. It is being built for me, after all. Oh yeah, it's not going to have anything engraved on the slide.

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by bubbat on Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:50 am

DBChaffin wrote:I had him send it to me "in the white" so that we can be sure it is just right before having the finish applied. The only downside I see to this is double shipping, (and having to send it back!). I haven't sent it back yet...

Pictures???

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by bwswanson on Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:35 am

Those that say they don't get it have never shot or held a semi custom or full custom.

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by cottonmouth on Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:43 am

Prolly couldn't build this one for $2,000.

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by msredneck on Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:49 am

I have not been all that impressed with my Kimber CDP....On a grading scale of A to F...I'd say my $1000 Kimber would rate a C....In fact if I ever sell a 1911...its the first to go


Kimber has never impressed me....I'd take a Springfield over it any day

Based on the comments here...no one actually owns any high end 1911's that have been mentioned...competition rigs don't count...They are in a world of their own

Oh Yeah....I hate Guide Rods....they are bull Give me that easy to take down, no tools needed bushing any day

I considered Canyon Creek Custom for some XD and XDM work....have not thought about them for 1911's

I'm kinda surprised no one here has had a Nighthawk or a Wilson Combat

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by Beladran on Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:59 am

SVI or Bob Cogan.. Rbelote is actually selling a cogan custom for a steal if anyone has the money

I would rather just have a 1911 built by the AMU

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by bubbat on Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:49 am

bwswanson wrote:Those that say they don't get it have never shot or held a semi custom or full custom.

Wrong , have shot and held many of them.

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by Cliff Cargill on Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:13 pm

cottonmouth wrote: Prolly couldn't build this one for $2,000.

J.B.

That looks like an old Clark Pin gun. That's old school!!! It's what we used back in the day.

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by nhstk02 on Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:41 pm

I can't see spending that much either, but to each his own I guess. For a production gun I think I would go with an STI. I do own a Kimber and would never part with it.

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by DBChaffin on Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:07 pm

bubbat wrote:Pictures???
Nah, I think I will wait until it's done.

msredneck wrote:Based on the comments here...no one actually owns any high end 1911's that have been mentioned...competition rigs don't count...They are in a world of their own

Oh Yeah....I hate Guide Rods....they are bull Give me that easy to take down, no tools needed bushing any day

I considered Canyon Creek Custom for some XD and XDM work....have not thought about them for 1911's
I didn't say anything about competition in my post. The build I mentioned is a singlestack 1911. I shoot widebody "2011's" in competition and plan to continue to. This isn't one of them. I'm not saying this one won't ever be shot in Singlestack division at a USPSA match or maybe run in a steel match for fun, but the goal with it was simply to fit my personal taste at this time in a no compromise, singlestack 1911. I thought that fit this thread. Maybe not.

Incidentally, I had Rich set up the gun with and without a full length guide rod. I run them in my competition gun and like the smoother feel and springs might last longer with one. They aren't a major hassle to me though.

So far I am pretty impressed with Rich's work. He was a tad beyond his promised deadline, but it was reasonable and what good gunsmith isn't typically a little behind schedule? (This is rhetorical question; no need to answer it here and drift the thread)

Beladran wrote:SVI or Bob Cogan..
Have talked to Bob but never had any work done by him, but I have heard good things, I really like SVI. Although best known for their widebody guns, their singlestack frames and guns are awesome (as are most of their parts). There were a few things I wanted that they would do, but I came close to going with them anyway as I have one of their widebodies that has been fantastic. I really wanted to build on their frame, but they won't sell them so ok, I admit it, I had to make a small compromise... I used many of their parts though.

That old school Clark is cool.

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by slabsides45 on Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:52 pm

I own an Ed Brown Kobra Carry with the Gen III coating on her:



I'd call Baer, Brown, Wilson, and Nighthawk a "semi-custom" build, as they're all a mini production setup. True customs are much more and assembled, as stated above, by the individual gun and part.

I can directly address the Kimber vs custom question, since I had (have) Kimber(s). My experience with Kimber has been excellent, I should point out. I've not had any jammomatics, etc., all have worked as advertised. The alloy framed guns kick more and thus are slower to get back online for a second shot, but you kinda expect that when you buy them. Otherwise, all are good weapons.

I thought for the longest that there was no difference, and that nothing could improve the feel and touch of the Kimbers. Then I got the Brown, strictly based on gunlust and looks. The trigger is better, the fitting is superb, and the accuracy is better than I can keep up with. Doesn't mean your target is more dead, but died in better style for sure. blink

In short, the Brown is better than any production gun I've ever handled. That includes Dan Wesson, Kimber, Colt, and Rock Island. YMMV.

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Re: High End 1911's

Post by Xd357 on Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:01 pm

Bryant, sounds like it's going to be sweet. Can't wait to see it.

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