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Post by Xd357 on Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:38 pm

Who here loads for the .35 whelen ? I just bought an apex in a .35. I kinda wanta try some 180 grain bullets in it. If you do reload for it any tips? I've got tons of 30.06 brass and plan on resizing it to the .35. I've heard this is not hard to do with plenty of lube.

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Post by longgun60 on Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:44 am

Just loaded 3 different powder charges and fired them at 100 yards yesterday. I was using Nosler Accubonds in 225 gr. The best performance was with 58.5 gr of IMR4350. I was getting 11/4 groups, but I have several interruptions during the test. I have more loaded and will give another try later this week.

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Post by msredneck on Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:46 am

Its on my list of things to do...but its way down on the list.....How much do you plan on shooting it anyway...That sucker will drain a powder can in a hurry

Need to be loading them 225 - 250 Grain Big boys....Whatever Barnes makes in TSX that's what I'll load

TSX is all I will ever use for hunting if they are available


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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Xd357 on Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:46 am

Looks like barnes offers a 200 and a 225 pills in the tsx. I'm hopeing to find a 180 grain too get it to shoot a little flater.

Longgun60 did you load three differant loads of imr4350? What kind of gun is it?

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Post by possum398 on Sun Sep 26, 2010 6:58 pm

I just got back from the range today. Shooting 225 nosler balistic tips(Early Accubonds). Two best groups were .6 and .9 at 100 yrds. Using 58 and 57.5 gr of R15. I was shooting TC encore.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Beladran on Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:04 pm

would fire forming first be easier??

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Post by longgun60 on Sun Sep 26, 2010 10:32 pm

Yes, I used 54.5, 56.5, and 58.5 of IMR 4350. I have a T/C Prohunter with 35 Whelen SS barrel. To get more velocity, I will have to use RL-15 or other powder.

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Post by Xd357 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:15 am

Beladran wrote:would fire forming first be easier??


Not sure. They say it's not hard to do.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Xd357 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:21 am

longgun60 wrote:Yes, I used 54.5, 56.5, and 58.5 of IMR 4350. I have a T/C Prohunter with 35 Whelen SS barrel. To get more velocity, I will have to use RL-15 or other powder.

what kinda velocity are you getting out of rl15?

Also for imr4350??

How long are the barrels my apex has a 25".

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by longgun60 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:16 am

I don't have a chrony, so all I have is the load data from Nosler. IMR 4350 54.5=2328, 56.5=2379, and 58.5=2440. Using RL-15 goes from 2698 to 2789fps. Right now I have no RL-15 to try, so I will use this for hunting this year. Maybe I can play more after season. I have the 28" barrel, but you have to give up 3.340" for the bore. I reckon it is between 24" and 25".

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Post by possum398 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:34 am

No chrony here either. I just use nosler data and see what load shoots the best. I just started at the max and stepped it down .5gr for each load. 59, 58.5, 58, 57.5, 57, 56.5 etc.
56.5 gr 6" group
57 gr 2.5" group
57.5 0.9" group
58 0.6" group
58.5 1.8" group
59 3.0" group

again using R15 with TC encore prohunter w/SS prohunter barrel.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Xd357 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:08 am

Thank y'all for the info. My hornaday didn't have those powders, and I've got some imr4350.

Wow! Useing rl15 it either it liked it or it didn't.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by righttoown on Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:53 pm

longgun60 wrote:Yes, I used 54.5, 56.5, and 58.5 of IMR 4350. I have a T/C Prohunter with 35 Whelen SS barrel. To get more velocity, I will have to use RL-15 or other powder.

I have T/C Prohunter and have been thinking about getting a 35 Whelen barrel for it. Did you have any headspace issue with it?

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Post by longgun60 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:53 pm

If by headspace problems you mean flattened primers, no I haven't had that to happen. I don't have guages to measure headspace. If any one does have headspace problems, you can go to www.Bellm.com(?). They sell guages and the tools and shims to add to your rifle. It's only a matter of removing the firing pin housing and inserting their shims. They also sell heavier hammer springs, and a trigger spring kit that brought my trigger pull from over 7 1/2 Lbs down to 2 1/2. I had the heavier hammer spring, but was too hard to pull back so I put the original back in. So far no problems, goes bang everytime.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Xd357 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:17 pm

Do y'all think I could get the 180 to 3000fps?

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by msredneck on Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:54 pm

I kinda thought the point of shooting 35 Whelen was to use Big bullets....35 Whelen sweet spot I thought was for bullets 225 - 250 grains....

I've seen commercially made ammo that claims 2850 fps out of a 200 grain bullet so I suppose 3000 fps is possible...


http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=575445

I don't think this cartridge's claim to fame is "flat shooting"....but more like flattens anything shot with it.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Xd357 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:21 pm

I don't have to have big heavy bullets to kill deer. I'm just trying to find a sweet spot that will reach up to 300yds. Yes the heavier ones will work but I didn't buy it because it's a thumper I bought it because it's got better performance than say the 45/70,444.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Beladran on Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:13 pm

well usually those big heavy boolets have higher BC's stick with accubonds and dont look back 2 cents
if you wanna step it up a notch
http://gscustom.co.za/

they put barnes to shame

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by msredneck on Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:49 pm

Just what is "better performance".....

Shot placement is still king.....

I dunno about the 180 grainers...when I get to reloading her maybe I'll find out....

Oh yeah...Here's a pic of mine...she's still being "worked on"...Gotta get all the shinny stuff duracoated black





The business end:



You don't see deer skull paint jobs every day:




A casual search of commercially available ammo in 35 Whelen reveals no 180's that I could find....That might tell you something

Its interesting...I think accubonds suck...I would not give you a plug nickel for one...and everything I've ever hit with a Barnes TSX has been "laid-out"

Opinions r like butt-holes...everyone got one

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Beladran on Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:08 pm

neck that is sexzy rifle that almost looks like a 1.250 straight bull barrel? whats it weigh out to?

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Post by msredneck on Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:12 pm

I dunno yet....I'm gonna guess 10 lbs with scope....all I got is pics...she's a beast though...I really like the forward looking break....I think she's gonna need it...

waiting on a rifle basics trigger and duracoat the barrel and action and I should be in business....

Dixie Precision Rifles

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Xd357 on Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:22 pm

Good looking rifle neck.

Your probley right about the 180 grainers. I cant find much in 180. I'm going to shoot these hornadys(200gr)and see how it likes them.
I might try the 200-225 grainers(TSX,accubonds) but that's the heaviest I would want to go.

I just want to take most of the guess work out of 300 yards.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by longgun60 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:50 am

Sierra has a offering in a 180 grain bullet, but it is round nose and max is 2300fps. Pistol bullet? I think in 358 caliber(or any other caliber) you have to get length to diameter ratio right for rifle bullet. 200grain might be the least you can get and still keep the ratio. Any thing below that goes to round nose to get the ratio. I'm no expert but I'm learning everyday.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by possum398 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:49 am

Federal Fusion makes 180gr for the 35 whelen
http://www.fusionammo.com/ballistics/rifle.aspx?id=877


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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Xd357 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:38 am

Have y'all tried any of them?

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Beladran on Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:54 am

i have heard some poor stories about fusion bullets not expanding and just blowing through critters..

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Post by Xd357 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:13 am

Beladran wrote:i have heard some poor stories about fusion bullets not expanding and just blowing through critters..

this is why I was looking for a well made bullet in 180.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Beladran on Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:19 am

http://www.gsgroup.co.za/orderhvusa.html
358 180grHV $84.50 box of 50

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by possum398 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:49 am

I will just stick with my nosler 225gr, they were only $14 a box!

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Xd357 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:55 am

+1000 I'm trying to save. I'll bet there good bullets tho.

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Post by msredneck on Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:07 am

you want 3000 fps 180's

look here

http://www.cpcartridge.com/cpcart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_72

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Beladran on Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:08 am

3000fps from a flat nose? I bet thats explosive under 100 yards

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Post by Xd357 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:34 am

Yeah I'll bet it is. Why can't they make an accubond in 180?

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by judgedelta on Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:41 pm

From what I've read, the beauty of a .35 whelen is that you get a lot of power very efficiently without a lot of recoil. It is claimed to be a 300 yd. rifle, but I'd stick with a 30-06 if I was going to shoot that far. The 250 gr. partition shoots very well in my Encore, but it really prefers the 225 accubond - about an inch at 100 yds.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Xd357 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:50 pm

This is for muzzle loading season, if I could use a .06 I would.

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Post by Beladran on Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:37 pm

i just thought of something.... what if some DA game warden checks you after a kill and see's your ammo has a head stamp of 30-06 and tries to write you a ticket for incorrect weapon/wrong ammo?

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Post by Xd357 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:40 pm

Good point. I might just use military brass. Lol that'll throw them off.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by FC on Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:05 am

possum398 wrote:I will just stick with my nosler 225gr, they were only $14 a box!

I'd like some of those myself ... source ?

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Post by possum398 on Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:30 am

FC wrote:
possum398 wrote:I will just stick with my nosler 225gr, they were only $14 a box!

I'd like some of those myself ... source ?

When nosler changed from the balistic tips to the accubonds a local place sold all the old ballistic tips cheap. I bought all they had. That was 2 years ago, before everyone went 35 whelen crazy. They told me that they had been on the shelf for 5 years and no one had bought any of them. They said no one shot .358 rifles down here in the South!

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by judgedelta on Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:48 am

If you Google ".35 whelen ballistic chart", you get a web site for Conley Precision Cartridge in Como, Ms, along with a ballistic chart. They show a 180 gr. bullet at 3000 fps, along with some interesting data for other loads. Worth printing out and perhaps ordering some ammo, if you want hot 180s.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by nonnieselman on Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:54 am

Im taking .223 or .22-250 hunting this year... You dont need any them big fancy bullets to put a deer down DRT.
But then again is a 35 whelen considered a "primitive" weapon?

We find a bullet that shoots the best group and then learn your drop. It dont have to shoot flat.

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Post by Beladran on Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:43 pm

nonnieselman wrote:Im taking .223 or .22-250 hunting this year... You dont need any them big fancy bullets to put a deer down DRT.

so what your saying is a 408 cheytac is not needed to kill a 140lb deer??????? scratch

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Post by nonnieselman on Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:33 pm

Well i guess you could use it.. its not much bigger than the 35 whelen. But is smaller than the 50cal muzzleloaders.
You got one i can try out and ill let ya know Very Happy

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Post by Beladran on Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:26 pm

no lol no cheytacs at my house.. But i did handle a custom 30-338 lapua and a 264wsm yesterday that i would have given my __ __ for

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Post by msredneck on Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:04 pm

judgedelta wrote:If you Google ".35 whelen ballistic chart", you get a web site for Conley Precision Cartridge in Como, Ms, along with a ballistic chart. They show a 180 gr. bullet at 3000 fps, along with some interesting data for other loads. Worth printing out and perhaps ordering some ammo, if you want hot 180s.

Yeah I posted about it....look up about 10 posts

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by Xd357 on Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:48 pm

nonnieselman wrote:
But then again is a 35 whelen considered a "primitive" weapon?

Yes it is.

We find a bullet that shoots the best group and then learn your drop. It dont have to shoot flat.

very true and what I've been looking into. It's all new to me I'm used to point and clicken.

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by FC on Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:07 pm

Xd357 wrote:
Beladran wrote:i have heard some poor stories about fusion bullets not expanding and just blowing through critters..

this is why I was looking for a well made bullet in 180.

saw some 180 gr hornady interlocks in .358 today, pointed soft points I believe

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Post by Xd357 on Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:10 pm

Welcome fc. Where did you see them?

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Re: Reloading the .35 whelen.

Post by FC on Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:33 pm

Van's in Brandon, three boxes of fifty on the shelf, didn't catch the $

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Post by Xd357 on Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:31 pm

Well I picked up the 180 interlocks. And loaded them up in some fed .270 brass. Got 27 of them bad boys loaded up in three shot groups. I've got more reloads than I've got factory ammo and I haven't even shot it yet lol.

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