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What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by double hunter on Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:14 pm

Is there a list of rifles that are considered to be primitive weapons, I am wanting to shoot a Ruger #1 this year, is this considered a primitive weapon

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by bubbat on Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:19 pm

H&R handi rifle is all I know of. When they first allowed them the gun had to be designed before 1890, but don't know if that is still correct.

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by double hunter on Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:22 pm

Just went to the Dept of Wildlife web site and answered my own question, looks like any breech loading single shot with an exposed hammer is legal, rules out the Ruger #1, Does anyone know if they make the Handi-rifle in .35 Whelen

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Post by bubbat on Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:35 pm

They made a limited test run of around 200 rifles for Mississippi to test the market in 2009, H&R doesn't list it on their website but Van's had some last year.

http://www.clarionledger.com/misc/blogs/Outdoors/babroom/2009/08/35-whelen-handi-rifle.html


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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by jbpmidas on Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:07 pm

Outdoors Advantage here in Amory had one, I believe. Also, Carr's in Saltillo had some.

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by cxarak on Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:23 pm

Not a bad price for this one...

http://www.bullnettlenews.com/forum/yaf_postst9171_NEF-Handi-Rifle-35-Whelen-22500.aspx

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by Beladran on Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:03 pm

as far as modern single shots
handi rifle
thompson encore/contender
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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by FC on Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:07 pm

cva makes one also I believe, got started with an Encore mzlder long ago and that's the brand for me ever since.

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by Beladran on Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:17 pm

encore is the only one for me. cva scares me personally

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by FC on Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:28 pm

Beladran wrote:encore is the only one for me. cva scares me personally

you got a 35 cal going or you gonna BP with it

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by msredneck on Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:43 pm

double hunter wrote:Just went to the Dept of Wildlife web site and answered my own question, looks like any breech loading single shot with an exposed hammer is legal, rules out the Ruger #1, Does anyone know if they make the Handi-rifle in .35 Whelen

The early H&R 35's had headspace issues and they quit making them a while till they got it straightened out

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by righttoown on Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:47 pm

In 2008, the rules were fine-tuned again. The caliber requirement was reduced to .35, opening the door to the .35 Whelen. The rifle’s need to be of a design prior to 1900 was dropped. Also rifles with interchangeable barrels were included.

From the MDWFP Site:
Primitive Weapons: Weapons legal for use during the Primitive Weapons season are crossbows, by Special or General Permit, and primitive firearms. “Primitive Firearms,” for the purpose of hunting deer, are defined as single or double barreled muzzle-loading rifles of at least .38 caliber; OR single shot, breech loading, metallic cartridge rifles (.35 caliber or larger) and replicas, reproductions, or reintroductions of those type rifles with an exposed hammer; OR single or double-barreled muzzle-loading shotguns, with single ball or slug. All muzzle-loading Primitive Firearms must use black powder or a black powder substitute with percussion caps, #209 shotgun primers, or flintlock ignition.
“Blackpowder substitute” is defined as a substance designed, manufactured and specifically intended to be used as a propellant in muzzleloading or other black powder firearms, excluding modern smokeless powder. Metallic cartridges may be loaded with either black powder or modern smokeless powder (cartridges purchased at sporting goods stores).
Handguns or sidearms are not allowed for hunting deer during Primitive Weapons seasons. Telescopic sights are allowed while hunting with any primitive firearm during the primitive weapon seasons. A “telescopic sight” is defined as an optical sighting device with any magnification.

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by Beladran on Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:03 am

FC wrote:
you got a 35 cal going or you gonna BP with it

negative. i have been using 375jdj in my encore since forever i think lol nothing that walks on this planet i cant take with it

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by Xd357 on Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:42 pm

Beladran wrote: cva scares me personally

why do you say that?

Cva makes two that I know of.

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by Beladran on Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:04 am

xd you ever seen a cva explode??? If you do you will know why i dont like them. my friend was lucky and only got a small burn on his hand but if things were different he could have lost his hand or blew half his face off

P.S im not the only one

http://www.chuckhawks.com/dangerous_muzzleloaders.htm

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by Xd357 on Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:36 am

Ok their muzzleloaders scare you not their rifles.

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by Beladran on Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:23 pm

well i know its wrong but im lumping their rifle and muzzloader into the POS bin....

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by double hunter on Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:43 pm

H & R does make Handi-rifle in .35 Whelen, went up to Bass Pro last night and got the last one they had, they may get some more, this is one fine round, been hunting with a T/C Prohunter the last couple years but this gun just does not fit me, I've had a scope hit me twice in nearly fifty years of deer hunting and yea you guessed it both times with the T/C, probably should have got a stitch or two with last one but made me too mad too go, had two short blood trails that morning, one the deer made and the other one I made

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by FC on Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:31 am

I've heard alot of complaints about Encores but fit/feel has not been one of them. Just proves there's is no such thing as one size fits all.

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Re: What type or brand of rifle is a primitive weapon now

Post by Beladran on Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:14 am

send all defective encores to me...

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