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Post by cerobin1 on Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:19 pm

What are yalls thoughts on the main differnces between the two as it pertains to deer hunting?

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by jbpmidas on Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:52 am

Trajectory, trajectory, trajectory! If I had not found such a good deal on my .45-70, I would have bought a .35 Whelen.

Both will do the job though! What type of hunting do you do?

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by cerobin1 on Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:40 pm

Whitetail deer and hogs in the MS delta. Farthest shot about 125 yards in most places, sometimes 150 yards

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by cerobin1 on Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:42 pm

The 444 or 45/70 has more knock down power though, correct? Is that flat & fast stiill better than a nasty punch on the end? Keep in mind that shot placement is always spot on

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Joe S. on Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:13 pm

the 35 whelen is bringing a punch with it. it is a pretty big chunk of lead. altho not as big as the 444 or 45/70 it still is a chunk.

i would think 35 whelen would be sufficient for anything the 444 or 45/70 is and better in other situations...

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by cranedriver on Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:53 pm

Since most of my hunting falls in the 125yd or less range the 45-70 has seen all the deer hunting action from me for the past two years since I have gotten it. It all depends on your situation if you want a little more distance then go for the .35. I personally like to hunt up close.

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by mildot on Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:10 pm

Never owned a 35, but I have shot several deer with my 444 H & R. Never had one get and run away lol

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Xd357 on Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:23 pm

Love my .35. It's a step above the .444. But out of the .444 or the 45-70 I'd pick the .444.

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Doug Bowser on Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:30 pm

When the .35 Whelen was developed, it was designed to take on Large American Game. The Winchester .375 H&H Mag was not in production and the long Mauser actions available from Germany were very expensive. The shorter ctg was just right for the 1903 action and the problem of an inexpensive Big Bear rifle was solved. The .35 Whelen is much more powerful that a .444 marlin and at longer ranges outclasses the .45-70.

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Joe S. on Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:01 pm

Just get the 450 marlin and be done with it. Smile

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Chaddy-P on Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:10 am

35 can sling a Nosler 225 grain accubond bullet over 2800fps. The specs on the box say zero at 100yrds is 1.9" high 200. 444 can't touch that.. So much for primitive weapon huh?

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by msredneck on Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:32 am

depends on rifle you shooting it out of...hard to compare a 35 whelen out of an encore with a short barreled 35 whelen handi rifle

I've been disasppointed in my 444 Marlin Handi...well documented on other threads

Next years primative weapon will be a Encore Prohunter in 35 Whelen with a barrel of sufficient length...I'm not sold on these short barreled Handi's any more

The 35 Whelen was the poor mans 375 H&H way back in the day...its a bad boy...but you still gotta have enough pipe to get velosity out of it

444 marlin might be fine out of something like a guide gun...but that aint no single shot primative weapon is it

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Beladran on Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:53 pm

i know its off topic but i might play around a little with a 405 win barrel and see what i can come up with. but idk. im getting to were i dont like the 35 because everyone has one lol i know i know

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by 94LEVERFAN on Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:43 pm

Killed a nice 7 pt this morning with my 444 handi-rifle. Ranged at 187 yards. Went all of 30 yds. Not bad free hand out of a lean-to stand. Like them Hornady leverevolutions.

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by btr568 on Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:23 pm

Well on 12-11-10 at 4pm,i got to baptize my H&R 35 Whelen.At 170 yards it put some big bacon in the freezer,1 shot, high and back in the neck.Dropped so fast I thought I had missed,never made a step.

Now I am looking for a barrel for my Savage bolt action,in the same caliber,just a awesome round.

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Beladran on Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:06 am

Chaddy-P wrote:35 can sling a Nosler 225 grain accubond bullet over 2800fps. The specs on the box say zero at 100yrds is 1.9" high 200. 444 can't touch that.. So much for primitive weapon huh?

you sure that aint -1.9 inchs ???

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Xd357 on Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:42 am

Naw beldran the .35 is just that good. Lol

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Beladran on Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:00 am

maybe they should chamber glocks in 35whelen so they will be half way decent! ha

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by btr568 on Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:28 pm

"Neck when you are ready to let that 444 go,give me a holler

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by rdj94a on Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:01 am

35 whelen has plenty of knock down power regret selling mine

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Flyfisher on Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:33 pm

I'll take the 35 over the all others. Finding factory ammo is not that difficult. I like a 444 lever action, don't want to pull the trigger on a 45/70 - reward is not worth the recoil in a lightweight gun.
with 250 gr Nosler Partition's there is not much I would back down from

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by deerhunter86 on Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:33 am

I took out a doe at about 230 yards with a handi rifle in 45 7o Saterday . She was facing me at an angle bullet broke her frount shoulder on enterence and lodged under the skin on the opposite side behind the last rib deer ran a short distance and fell within sight . I have the scope from cabelas for the lever revolution bullets on it and have made shots on steel consistently at 300 plus. It's to hard to get bullets for a 35 or it is around Macomb . I forgot to mention that one good thing about a light gun in 45 7o kills on both ends so it's almost garanteeed to get blood .

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by ccloer on Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:48 am

I own a CVA Apex .45-70 and shoot the Hornady 325 gr LEVERrevolution ammo through it. You need to check out the ballistics on that ammo...it shoots a LOT flatter than your typical .45-70 bullet. I have the rifle zeroed for 150 yards...the top of the ballistic arc is 2.5" high at 75 yards, and the terminal energy is awesome as far out as you care to lob the shot...after all, they used it for buffalo for good reason!

The Hornady ammo literally shoots in the same hole at 100 yards through my Bergara barrel, shooting 5-shot groups that are about 1.75 times the diameter of one round. If I could actually FIND a 35 Whelen barrel for the Apex, I'd buy that barrel also, just to compare, but no luck so far. The .45-70 Apex is the only rifle I carry afield in MS nowadays for deer or hogs during any deer gun season. I shoot a suppressed POF 415 5.56 with Hornady 75 gr Match ammo at hogs and other "nuisance animals" after the regular hunting seasons close...20-30 rounds of death down range...yeah baby!! Smile

I own the Bergara .270 and 300 Win Mag barrels as well, for out of state or long range bean field or pipeline shooting, and they are super accurate as well, so my recommendation would be to maybe think about buying a rifle that you can add barrels to as you need them...a shooting SYSTEM, rather than a single rifle, that will serve you during any gun season, anywhere in the world. ...CC...

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by drew14357 on Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:11 pm

Ok fellas i am here to tell you go with the 45/70 imho
1)this gun was made to kill indian horses @ 2000 yds
2) read the sandy hook project reports of 1879 shooting 4570 2 miles with a 500 gr bullet an 70gr of black powder
3 the 325gr hornady flex tip is the best all around bullet to shoot
i shoot it 1.5 inch high at 100 yds rag hole
my next is the 300gr tsx from Barnes its just mean to throw a .458 boat propeller the expansion is tremendous
4) I shoot my loads hot 2650 fps 325gr flextip hornady 200yds
any other questions feel free to ask

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by cwink on Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:51 pm

The 35 Whelen is a necked up 30/06.. Yes it has a lot more down range energy and a lot better trajectory, it also has a lot more kick. I have had the 444 Marlin and TC in 35 Whelen.. The 444 would be my choice especially at 150 yards or less.

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by PWB on Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:34 am

Personally I think anything over a .243 for whitetail deer is overkill, but that's just me, I also hunt with a .30-06 and a .30-30, and as the saying goes "Variety is the spice of life"..so I enjoy a little variety during regular gun season by hunting with all three, however during primitive season I hunt with a Knight KP-1 in .444 ... flat shooting and will punch a big hole any where it hits, to me the downside is the potential to ruin meat, I guess this is why I prefer hunting with a .243 ... If I were hunting hogs wouldn't give it a second thought...what I don't understand is that of all the firearm manufacturers that make these single shot rifles there are none in .35 Remington...(they may be out there but I haven't seen them)..plenty of knockdown for either hog or whitetail and not nearly as much recoil as a 35 Whelen, .45-70, or .444.

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by mackied on Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:45 pm

I plan on getting a .35 Whelen barrel for second primitive season. My step dad has one and I don't think he hunts with anything else.

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Jarhead5811 on Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:44 pm

I've got a .35 Whelen barrel on my Encore with a Leupold VariX-III 3.5-10x40mm mounted on it. I haven't used anything else since I got it. It's slightly heavier than my .30-'06 barrel, way lighter than my .50cal muzzleloader barrel, much lighter than my other two .30-'06s and lighter/shorter than my .300win but kicks about as bad, or worse, than the latter. Plus, it's ballistics tables look way better than a factory load '06's.

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by grnyammer on Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:22 pm

.35 is a necked up 30-06.
Hornady superformance 200 gr. Sp SPF kicking 2850 fps, +2.0 @100, 0 @200, -9 @300 got this from the box.

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Joe S. on Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:42 am

PWB wrote:what I don't understand is that of all the firearm manufacturers that make these single shot rifles there are none in .35 Remington...(they may be out there but I haven't seen them)..plenty of knockdown for either hog or whitetail and not nearly as much recoil as a 35 Whelen, .45-70, or .444.
i have the 35 rem in a handi rifle. i know you have seen it in my other thread, but to let anyone else know. it has been fired 3 times this deer season and brought down 3 deer, none of which ran over about 15 yards (1 was DRT, 1 ran 10 feet, 1 ran 15 yards). that is plenty good enough for me! shoots great and accurate. i THINK you can get a 35rem barrel for a T/C Encore too. not sure tho. those are the only 2 i know of that are made... and the handi is a rare bird.

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by micahbxd40 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:05 am

Chaddy-P wrote:35 can sling a Nosler 225 grain accubond bullet over 2800fps. The specs on the box say zero at 100yrds is 1.9" high 200. 444 can't touch that.. So much for primitive weapon huh?

BC .423
FPS 2725
200 -1.91"
300 -4.61"

Still very respectable


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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Lucky13 on Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:44 am

The main difference in my eyes are their Ballistic Coefficients.

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by cottondoctor on Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:30 am

As always Doug provide good and correct information. The .35 Whelen first appeared between 1922 and 1923. It was developed for the biggest North American game and to be fired from a 1903 or a 98 Mauser. The long action magnum Mausers were out of most people price range then. At the time the most powerful standard American cartridge was the 405 Winchester in the Model 1895. Enter the 35 Whelen. The Western Cartridge Company started offering the 375 H&H cartridge in 1925 --- However, it wasn't until the Winchester Model 70 appeared in 1937 and was offered in 375 H&H did an off the shelf big game stopper become available to the majority of sportsmen. The 338 Win Mag was introduced in 1959. The 300 in 1963 (those operated in a standard length action). So, the 35 Whelen filled a big void in our firearm development curve. The 35 Whelen is capable of taking any big game in North America and is a notch above the 444 in that regard. Now - a 35 Whelen with a jacketed bullet loaded over smokeless propellents, in a stainless steel rifle, bedded into a synthetic stock fitted with a telescopic sight -------- is that really a "primitive weapon". I guess according to the law it is ...............

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by O.S.O.K. on Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:15 am

Both are much more than needed for whitetail or hog.

They are two different rounds - one in the "light and fast" group and the other in the "heavy and slow" group.

125 yards and in, you hold "on" with either, so no diff there.

Use good bullets in either and they'll through and through your game from any angle.

Both were designed with larger game in mind.

You may look at the 44 Mag or 45 Colt (handloads). From a carbine, and shooting 250 grain or heavier hard cast boolits, they'll be a hammer on whitetail/hogs. Much more economical too. Recoil is mild really.

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Beladran on Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:05 pm

While yal are getting your shoulder destroyed by the 35 whelen I keep smiling every time I drop the hammer on my 375jdj



Not a bad group this evening

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by cottondoctor on Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:39 am

good group - what sort of firearm do you have that chambered in ?

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by Beladran on Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:01 pm

Encore. 20 inch bull barrel with break

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Re: 35 whelen vs 444

Post by cottondoctor on Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:29 pm

Nice

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